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[KPM]

I can assure you all I am genuine.

Carry on wristing!

Well Neil, if you are real person...then welcome! All you have to do is go back and read through some of the threads to see why there seems to be any ill-will towards the PB guys here. They have brought it all upon themselves by the way they address people, respond to posts, and lineage bash. Just review Graham's responses above. Please don't be another with that kind of attitude. Its Ok to have found something that works really well for you and that you really enjoy. We want to hear about it! But there is no need for a lot of the really nasty responses and criticisms we have been seeing here of late.

[Neil-Y]

Well Neil, if you are real person...then welcome! All you have to do is go back and read through some of the threads to see why there seems to be any ill-will towards the PB guys here. They have brought it all upon themselves by the way they address people, respond to posts, and lineage bash. Just review Graham's responses above. Please don't be another with that kind of attitude. Its Ok to have found something that works really well for you and that you really enjoy. We want to hear about it! But there is no need for a lot of the really nasty responses and criticisms we have been seeing here of late.

Thanks Keith.

[Graham H]

Well Neil, if you are real person...then welcome! All you have to do is go back and read through some of the threads to see why there seems to be any ill-will towards the PB guys here. They have brought it all upon themselves by the way they address people, respond to posts, and lineage bash. Please don't be another with that kind of attitude. Its Ok to have found something that works really well for you and that you really enjoy. We want to hear about it! But there is no need for a lot of the really nasty responses and criticisms we have been seeing here of late.

Stop crying Keith FFs!

[KPM]

Stop crying Keith FFs!

Thank you Graham. You've illustrated my point perfectly.

[Neil-Y]

Yeah, because people like you and BPWT would never be like that to others.

I came here and tried (and still do try) to be genuine, but I was immediately branded as one of those "PB cult" followers, and my attempts at answering and explaining things from our perspective have been met with usual scorn and derision.

Any genuine queries about PBVT seem to have an ulterior motive and are just opportunities for others to let us spill our methods in order for them to nitpick, bash and try to justify their own methods.
Sad.

Yeah welcome Neil.

Don't give up trying Trevor.

[KPM]

Yeah, because people like you and BPWT would never be like that to others.

Not saying we don't have our off days. But I certainly try to keep things polite and civil. But I admit I get drawn in when people start telling me what I am saying is "non-sense" that I don't know what I am talking about, and start throwing slurs and taunts my way. The level of vindictiveness put out by Graham and Kevin is fairly unmatched.


I came here and tried (and still do try) to be genuine, but I was immediately branded as one of those "PB cult" followers, and my attempts at answering and explaining things from our perspective have been met with usual scorn and derision.

That is unfortunate. I admit that you have been making an honest attempt at having a civil discussion of late. But I don't think your perspective has been met with "scorn and derision." Its just when something doesn't add up or make sense and further questions are asked, the typical comeback tends be just more lineage bashing and "you just don't get it" kind of responses.

Any genuine queries about PBVT seem to have an ulterior motive and are just opportunities for others to let us spill our methods in order for them to nitpick, bash and try to justify their own methods.

The problem is that any genuine queries about PBVT tend to get squashed by the non-sense that drowns out any real conversation. Why is it that I could have a perfectly civil discussion with PBVT about LTWT or with JPinAZ about HFY, but we can't seem to have civil discussions about PBVT? Could it be because of the way the information is presented? Could it be due to some of the responses that simple questions or descriptions of someone else's methods receives? Go back and read through the various exchanges and see how often the response to someone describing what they do in their lineage or asking a perfectly innocent question was met with the equivalent of ....."you're stupid" , "you obviously don't know what you're doing" , or "your version of Wing Chun sucks." So then the motive becomes to prove you guys wrong because you have set yourself up on this high pedestal as being the only guys that know the "real" Wing Chun. Don't you see that? If your basic message in every post about PBVT is that you are right and everyone else's Wing Chun sucks, how can you expect that it won't be met with a negative response?