Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kungfujunky]

he isnt trying to change any minds. he thinks he knows exactly how a person acts because of a post he read online.

im not defending anything besides the fact that his posts are presumptious to say the least. and very aggressive.

if he has such a high level of martial ethics then he could have just as easily pmed sw to chat amiably about their difference of opinion.

instead he made threats and called names


wow very grown up.

i dont know you bubba but from your posts i am not impressed. but i certainly am open to the idea that online personas are always a bit different than what a person actually is.

im sure your a great martial artist and very respectful but your posts did not say that. all i saw in sw posts was a guy excited that he had done some research and checked some places out only to find he was where HE wanted to be all along.

just because he was able to slap a guy around does not mean he did it out of disrespect for the person or their art.

[Meat Shake]

What do you mean by this ??

Boy, is my face red.

Some people call those who dont gently tell them that their bull**** is really pudding rude and *******s. No sweat off my ass.

Cant figure out what your trying to say. KC

The first sentence is in regard to wookie saying something about I got told or something along those lines. I dont feel like reading back.
The second is in regards to you getting upset that I call shots as I see them and dont sugar coat things. Thick skin is a good thing to have.
No sweat off my ass means I dont really care if people think Im rude or not.

Why isnt ass censored? Weird.

Anyhow... I dont really care enough to argue anymore.
SD wasnt made for fighting as I learned, and I was trained by both my sifu in san antonio and master schaeffer in austin. I was never really impressed other than by my lack of knowledge.
Like I said many times.... Great for staying in shape, terrible for fighting.
If you took the material taught for just 1 belt and worked on that, you may accomplish something. Trying to learn the entire system will get you nowhere....
But good luck trying, I just hope you never have to use what you have tried to learn against someone who actually knows how to fight.

[Judge Pen]

The first sentence is in regard to wookie saying something about I got told or something along those lines. I dont feel like reading back.
The second is in regards to you getting upset that I call shots as I see them and dont sugar coat things. Thick skin is a good thing to have.
No sweat off my ass means I dont really care if people think Im rude or not.

Why isnt ass censored? Weird.

Anyhow... I dont really care enough to argue anymore.
SD wasnt made for fighting as I learned, and I was trained by both my sifu in san antonio and master schaeffer in austin. I was never really impressed other than by my lack of knowledge.
Like I said many times.... Great for staying in shape, terrible for fighting.
If you took the material taught for just 1 belt and worked on that, you may accomplish something. Trying to learn the entire system will get you nowhere....
But good luck trying, I just hope you never have to use what you have tried to learn against someone who actually knows how to fight.

I have, MS, and I did ok so I can't agree that you can't use it for fighting. I'll agree that most of the time the people in SD don't train in a way that would translate to fighting, but that's an individual problem and not a problem of the style itself. As I said earlier, If I were training for a"fight" then my methods of training what I know of SD would need to change. More drilling, more live work at all ranges--not just the typical SD class and forms work, but all the moves I would need would be in my forms.

Having said that, please don't think that I'm implying any disrespect to SC or your teacher. I haven't encountered anyone in SC, in person, and I would like to see what that is about. I, like SW, have worked out with and visited several other schools--there's a lot of good stuff out there, but for me I enjoy and can use what I'm taught in SD.

[kwaichang]

MS I trained in austin too PM me as to who you are I may know you if you are so inclined I will do the same. KC

[Bubba O'Reilly]

I'm also lacking in Chinese comprehension as well . Care to elaborate? I speak Latin, French, Spanish, English (a little bit). I might take Chinese in grad school, if they'll let me. If you want to sound intelligent, translate it into either Latin, French, Spanish, and English, and we'll all be impressed, but maybe, just maybe, you'll make your point to me?

Spanish -- Virtud Marcial

It means in the barest & lowest level ... manners.

Funny though, I'm on an internet forum to talk to people about martial arts, because I don't know anyone outside of my school who would want to talk MA's at all, under any circumstances. Why the-hell-else would I be on here? BTW, my Master and I look nothing alike.

That's fine, but you missed what I said.

Self-respect is more important than rep. I respect myself, and I do my own dirty work, and I work hard at the things I do. If people think I'm an *******, well, they're probably right.

Again... you missed what I said.

[Bubba O'Reilly]

Bubba, do you really think you can say anything to change their minds?
The worst part is, I think I was like that too at one time

Nah not at all... just pointing out something that's stressed in most CMA schools that apparently they're lacking.

[Bubba O'Reilly]

Because he rubbed me the wrong way



Nah... nothing's impossible... however, a little manners goes a long way in telling the story

good point but it could also be your perception of his telling that is off.

It's possible but I'm doubting it.

Well... then what's the point?

the point is im sure the round was handled respectfully

How so? How's it handled respectfully if he comes in talking about "slapping around" a student of another school with the same training time as him. Do you see any commentary from the other school? Would you be as forgiving of the other school if they came on here talking about "slapping" him around?

What's the difference? If you're trading hands, you're trading hands. Otherwise you're playing pattycake.

true but there is trading hands with respect and their is beating a lesser fighter up just because you can

True, but can it said with certainty that the person was a "lesser fighter" since it wasn't a serious match? Was there consideration given or offered that maybe the other person was sparring down to his level?

Here we go with the slapping again. If you don't play the game that a person is accustomed to playing, chances are you're coming out on top just by confusing them. Don't mistake that for being better, take it for being different.

so i should fight down to my opponent because he doesnt know what im doing? that is a silly statement my friend

Well see here's the difference... it wasn't a fight. It was sparring. Tag... play fighting... nothing serious or on the line. So why should a person who is better or is conceivably better than their play partner go full on if they're just playing?

BTW... in that 5 years he said he trained... how many hours was that?

3 days a week he said. not sure his exact training routine.

Hmmm... begs the addage quality not quantity.

I never said that actually.

no but you implied that he had to have been a monster to achieve it

Yep I did because of his statements and implied of handling a student in the student's school with little or no effort.

And exactly what "style" is it?

depends on who im fighting actually. it can be tiger or crane or ba gua or tai chi(my preferred style) or monkey. still working on mantis but love the pressure point stuff

Hmmm... so you have no set style of fighting that you adapt to any situation. You have to "switch flavors" as it were. How can you switch like that when you have no real background training in any of the flavors?

Who says I haven't? Who says I have? Who's making presumptions now?

so far you have made presumptions and rude comments because you didnt perceive someones post in a way that you liked.

How can being direct & forthright be rude?

all you have done is criticize and mock. made presumptions about a persons character and claimed he would be called out in his school because you got rubbed the wrong way.

Oh trust me... I haven't mocked anything or anybody.

your attitude has come off as extremely rude to me. so i will presume you have not crossed hands with sd folks. if you have please let us know how big of a monster you were THAT day

Presume what you will. Your perrogative. It's too bad you don't have a clue about what I'm talking about though to understand what I'm saying. As far as me being a monster in sparring... far from it. But I do ok. Sometimes I win, sometimes I loose. Most of the time I do what most people who spar as SD does... play.

[Bubba O'Reilly]

he isnt trying to change any minds. he thinks he knows exactly how a person acts because of a post he read online.

You're right. Not trying to change any minds at all. As far as knowing exactly how he acts, I haven't got a clue. However based on what I read & the impression it made...

im not defending anything besides the fact that his posts are presumptious to say the least. and very aggressive.

I'm hardly agressive. Actually I'm quite laid back & non-confrontational in most situations. However, I do not mind hollering off-sides when called for.

if he has such a high level of martial ethics then he could have just as easily pmed sw to chat amiably about their difference of opinion.

True, but if SW understood basic Mo Duk I wouldn't even have this conversation.

instead he made threats and called names

Haven't done it yet to my knowledge, but if you can point it out, I'd be glad to see exactly who I threatened or called names.

wow very grown up.

Nah... I'm a kid at heart with an old body.

i dont know you bubba but from your posts i am not impressed. but i certainly am open to the idea that online personas are always a bit different than what a person actually is.

That's great because honestly I'm not out to impress people. I just saw a sitation that needed something said & so I did.

im sure your a great martial artist and very respectful but your posts did not say that. all i saw in sw posts was a guy excited that he had done some research and checked some places out only to find he was where HE wanted to be all along.

I try to be respectful, but people sometimes confuse things like disrespect with a deserved chewing or rude with forthrightness. All he had to say was he was happy after checking other schools & I would've never shown up. But he didn't so I did.

just because he was able to slap a guy around does not mean he did it out of disrespect for the person or their art.

Ever hear it's not what you say but how you say it?

[MasterKiller]

I think Shaolin Wookie said he's got 2 years in SD, so he's not even a blackbelt yet (probably).

He's just a dumb kid excited about training and hasn't had the time or the experience to really understand anything. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

[Bubba O'Reilly]

I think Shaolin Wookie said he's got 2 years in SD, so he's not even a blackbelt yet (probably).

Yeah I think I saw something about that, but growing up manners were instilled early & in the MA's just as early. Every CMA player I know though has been taught their school's version Mo Duk. Kinda makes you go , don't it?

He's just a dumb kid excited about training and hasn't had the time or the experience to really understand anything. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

True. Very true.

[ZhuFu]

Does anyone know the name of Grandmaster Sin's TV program on KET? I'm on their website and have searched high and low in their archives but can't find it.

The title of the TV Series was:

"The Karate Television Series"

The book that came with the videos you could order from KET is simply called 'Karate"

Here is the info from the book:

Karate, c/o KET
600 Cooper Drive
Lexington, KY 40502

[ZhuFu]

[QUOTE=ZhuFu;742216]The title of the TV Series was:

I scanned a picture of the book for the Karate Series that came with the video series:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...karatebook.png

This was pre-shao-lin Do era

[John Many Jars]

True, but can it said with certainty that the person was a "lesser fighter" since it wasn't a serious match? Was there consideration given or offered that maybe the other person was sparring down to his level?




Well see here's the difference... it wasn't a fight. It was sparring. Tag... play fighting... nothing serious or on the line. So why should a person who is better or is conceivably better than their play partner go full on if they're just playing?

I agree w/ these statements. At our school if you're sparring a lower belt you are supposed to spar down to that persons level. Especially if it's that person's first day. It's a fine balance, at least for me, between not wanting to scare away a perspective student (by going too hard or fast) and still being able to show them that the school has something worthwhile to offer.

IMVHO, when the more experienced person drops down to a less experienced person's level it becomes easier for the more experienced person to eat shots they wouldn't normally eat. The timing is off because the punches are coming in slower, you're evaluating what they're throwing at you to offer tips to make what they're doing more effective or efficient, etc. The problem increases when the new student has already studied MA. You have no idea of there skill level but it's still in your mind not to go too hard.

I have no idea if this is what happened w/ SW and his partner as I wasn't there.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I think Shaolin Wookie said he's got 2 years in SD, so he's not even a blackbelt yet (probably).

He's just a dumb kid excited about training and hasn't had the time or the experience to really understand anything. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

Hahaha...........

I hear that all the time on here. Ya know.....2 years isn't a lot....but it's not nothing. You had to study for those same 2 years to get to where you are right now. You didn't learn anything in those two years? I have a piddling 2 years, yes, and a lifetime of intense athletics. I have the cardio of a distance runner (min. 35 miles/week on top of training ). I think that helps a little, don't you?

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Originally Posted by MasterKiller
I think Shaolin Wookie said he's got 2 years in SD, so he's not even a blackbelt yet (probably).

Yeah I think I saw something about that, but growing up manners were instilled early & in the MA's just as early. Every CMA player I know though has been taught their school's version Mo Duk. Kinda makes you go , don't it?

Seriously, Bubba....you don't have a sense of humor, do you? Believe me, I'm polite. But I'm not talking to a person. I'm talking to a troll (Lungushan, is that you?) It is precisely when people start throwing around Dim Mok Du Wu Deus Ex Machina reprobations that I tend to think......oh my god, here comes someone with no sense of humor......"you will address me as sensei, young reprobate"......

You're on an internet forum. Get over yourself. This isn't quite life and death.

I'm laughing my ass off, b/c this doesn't come down to ethics, morality, maturity, or anything else. You decided to read a post in a certain tone, and then got a little miffed that an SD guy actually used his bogus kung-fu to "slap around" a WC guy with "little effort". Would you have been as miffed had I said my SD proved inferior and a WC guy slapped me silly because I couldn't keep up with him? No, you'd probably say....go check out D. Lin's Shuai Chou school and learn how to really fight............

Well, you already did say that.

Well, I don't know about you, but I've never sparred with little or no effort. Had I used little or no effort, the WC guy would have slapped me around silly.

What you seem to have a problem with is the manner in which I wrote my post, b/c obviously you got the impression that I think I'm invincible with my pre-blackbelt material, and that I went around laying the smackdown on every tom, ****, and harry in the ATL. Didn't quite go down like that. Guys who know me on here (there's one or two I know of) could quickly say---naw, man, he's good for a browbelt, but that's a bout it. If you want to offer writing advice, go ahead. I'm always open to that (I'm a writer, too....and a painter.....so I'm open to criticism). But the ethics of internet posting?

I scoff at this. Scoff! Scoff!

For specifics, it was sparring. You get hit. He picked the pace and hte level of impact. The guy knew I had 2 years experience (Iso did he-2 years....or did you miss that, too?) I'm laid back. I didn't issue a challenge. He said, use what you know. He didn't say, use my first-day material at WC. I didn't have any. But he said: why don't you join in the sparring, even though you don't have any material? Just use what you know. (wink wink...I slowed down to his pace after 3 minutes, when I realized there was a skill gap, and he kept turning his back and getting swept)......

When we were finished, we shook hands, smiled, said: that was a good match. After class, we talked about MA for 25 minutes. It was cool to go "shopping around," as I realized there were a lot of people very interested in MA, and passionate about their training.

You seem to have the image of a Shaw Bros movie in your head, where I laid out a challenge and took on a school. For Christ's sake, man........ ......hahahaha.......

He asked me to spar. So I did. I owned. Good day. Story done.

Why don't you just get the **** over it? Or........perhaps it was you I slapped around with little or no effort?

Come on, man...........develop a sense of humor.

This issue is finished.

[MasterKiller]

I hear that all the time on here. Ya know.....2 years isn't a lot....but it's not nothing.

It's an associates degree, at best. You know what an associates gets you in the real world? Maybe $2 an hour more than the guy who barely passed high school.

You had to study for those same 2 years to get to where you are right now. You didn't learn anything in those two years?

I've learned enough since then to know after 2 years I didn't know d1ck.

I have a piddling 2 years, yes, and a lifetime of intense athletics. I have the cardio of a distance runner (min. 35 miles/week on top of training ). I think that helps a little, don't you?.

Not really. Running 35 miles a week doesn't have anything to do with martial arts or fighting. Pro fighters don't run 35 miles a week. Most of them don't run 5 miles a week. Being an athelete is great, but unless you were a combat athelete (Judo, boxing, wrestling, etc...), it doesn't give you a bump in the experience category. Sorry, bro.

Your own style doesn't even recognize you as an official student until you reach your black belt.