Swaui jao no good. Judo so good.

[lkfmdc]

High level Judo people (Olympics, world cup) do not use the "slap method" just FYI

[wenshu]

Hmmm... just did some research on both of them. Seems like neither has a big competition field and that more than a few "national champions" had zero, one, or two other competitors in their classes.

Pretty easy to claim "championships" when this is the case.

Matt Furey won the "world championships" in SJ with about a year of training.

Tim Ferris won the "national Sanshou" championship with almost no training, other than some basic MMA and a little wrestling.

Yes you can draw conclusions from this.

Competing in big tourneys with a big population with a high skill set will always turn out better fighters (either tourneys or self-defense) than will only competing in small inbred tourneys or not competing at all.

You Criticuuuuuuhhhhhhl Thunking'd the shit out of that one.

[Lucas]

High level Judo people (Olympics, world cup) do not use the "slap method" just FYI

ya in pretty much all the judo competitions ive watched on espn3 you dont see slap break fall hardly at all.

[sanjuro_ronin]

It has nothing to do with getting pinned (if anything, the arm slap, actually flattens you out on your back) and everything to do with force absorption. It should only used for practicing on mats.



"Holding" is what is used in most competitions. That's why you usually see both competitors go to the ground.

Actually yes, it does have to do with getting pinned.
You are in a better position to resist the pin attempt.

[faxiapreta]

Do not assume there is low level competition in sanshou

at the international level, there are 81 nations currently sending teams including China, Russia, Iran, Brazil, Korea, Egypt, the former soviet republics, etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nCgNTByiE&feature=fvst

Look at the size of that competition arena. Now compare that with the FILA world championships of wrestling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taRZQgLVBrM), or the Judo Worlds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwX4UcwyiAU), or the BJJ Mundials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqhQYRN4Pg), or the Abu Dahbi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkMNKniRkUg) championships. You need an arena 5 times that of the sanshou worlds for any of these simply to hold all the competitors.

Sorry, but there's no comparison.

[faxiapreta]

when i was learning aikido we did the same type of breakfall you see in judo. it does not flatten you onto your back at all. go try it.

Seems like you are the one who need to try it, but, then again, talking about something you know little or nothing about is not new to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwW7YRwvRk








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[faxiapreta]

Actually yes, it does have to do with getting pinned.
You are in a better position to resist the pin attempt.

No you aren't. It puts you in a worse position in terms of getting pinned.

Without the slap, you would end up more on your side and it would be easier to move to the turtle position.

[Lucas]

Seems like you are the one who need to try it, but, then again, talking about something you know little or nothing about is not new to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwW7YRwvRk

i have. many times.

[Grumblegeezer]

High level Judo people (Olympics, world cup) do not use the "slap method" just FYI

OK, if the high level Judo people don't use the hand-slapping breakfall and, if as stated elsewhere on this thread, it's dangerous to use on a hard surface, then why train it at all? As one of my eskrima instructors is fond of saying, "watch out how you practice, since that's you will try to move in a fight".

[lkfmdc]

Look at the size of that competition arena. Now compare that with the FILA world championships of wrestling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taRZQgLVBrM), or the Judo Worlds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwX4UcwyiAU), or the BJJ Mundials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqhQYRN4Pg), or the Abu Dahbi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkMNKniRkUg) championships. You need an arena 5 times that of the sanshou worlds for any of these simply to hold all the competitors.

Sorry, but there's no comparison.

WRONG, 81 nations sending 11 person teams does NOT = small by any stretch of (your) imagination

[Lucas]

from my experience, any method of breakfall helps to reduce injury during training.

[faxiapreta]

WRONG, 81 nations sending 11 person teams does NOT = small by any stretch of (your) imagination

LOL @ over 1000 people being in that gymnasium.

Sure, buddy.

[ginosifu]

When you look up swai jiao on YouTube you get videos of throwing. When you look up tai chi you get a million videos of people doing forms at the speed that old people drive. Based on that I would say tai chi, in general, does not have a massive throwing curriculum.

YouTube is not the correct place to look for credible Shuai Chiao or Tai Chi instruction. People, many beginners take videos of themselves at tournaments and put them up on YouTube. If you are only looking at YouTube Vids, you are not getting the whole picture.

You ignored the comment about your tournament. If I win 20 competitions by default how would a student be able to know me from someone that actually competed?

You are right here... there is no way to prove anything. What purpose would someone need to know if you won by default or not? Winning by default does not happen very often so there is no need to worry about that.

I never won by default.... I always had to fight somebody...

ginosifu

[lkfmdc]

LOL @ over 1000 people being in that gymnasium.

Sure, buddy.

what fucking video at you looking at?

[Lucas]

I never won by default.... I always had to fight somebody...

ginosifu

whats great is in his mind is probably like, all tourney all cma guys never win by fight, is always default.