Internal martial arts: a fiction?

[Water-quan]

Dummys don't hit back !

For the Good Lord's sake - at least dummies can be hit! The dummies in your videos fly back without even being hit! Any video of actual contact with a punch bag?? One that doesn't know that it should fly back?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Dummys don't hit back !

They are also functionlly, far hard to "project" than a person, dead weight and all that.
But that shouldn't be an issue with all the qi !

[YiQuanOne]

They are also functionlly, far hard to "project" than a person, dead weight and all that.
But that shouldn't be an issue with all the qi !

"Boards don't hit back" "Dummy's don't hit back"

If you want to develop something you need to play with something that responds.

Why do you think they call it a dummy?, because it does not do anything like you guys!, rockem sockem robots.

[YouKnowWho]

"Boards don't hit back" "Dummy's don't hit back"

If you want to develop something you need to play with something that responds.

Why do you think they call it a dummy?, because it does not do anything like you guys!, rockem sockem robots.

Are you saying that a Qi master can push a 180 lb guys flying 20 feet away, but he can't push a 120 lb throwing dummy flying back the same way? Why?

How about push a 180 lb pig instead? What's the difference anyway?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Are you saying that a Qi master can push a 180 lb guys flying 20 feet away, but he can't push a 120 lb throwing dummy flying back the same way? Why?

How about push a 180 lb pig instead? What's the difference anyway?

It seems that qi doesn't work on 120lbs of dead weight, LOL !

[YouKnowWho]

The Qi should have no knowledge where it will be sent to. When the Qi is sent out, it's out. Do I miss something here?

[sanjuro_ronin]

The Qi should have no knowledge where it will be sent to. When the Qi is sent out, it's out. Do I miss something here?

Yep John, you missed on on the BS that some people try to sell off as Qi, that's all.

[YiQuanOne]

Are you saying that a Qi master can push a 180 lb guys flying 20 feet away, but he can't push a 120 lb throwing dummy flying back the same way? Why?

How about push a 180 lb pig instead? What's the difference anyway?

Is this a ****ing contest.

Everyone seems to be stuck on who can hit hardest, who cares, I'm sure everybody has more than enough power to hurt someone without training external muscles.

Defense is the key, if they can't find you they can't effect you and also all that external muscle power of punching dummies can be used back against you.

If you can't hit your target it does not matter how much power you have.

[Water-quan]

Is this a ****ing contest.

Everyone seems to be stuck on who can hit hardest, who cares, I'm sure everybody has more than enough power to hurt someone without training external muscles.

Defense is the key, if they can't find you they can't effect you and also all that external muscle power of punching dummies can be used back against you.

If you can't hit your target it does not matter how much power you have.

Hey, personally I just wanted you to show something that looked like it would work in a fight of some kind. That being not done, you may now leave. Seriously, it's over - everything else is just m o r e t a l k.

[Scott R. Brown]

Dummys don't hit back !

Neither do demo partners!

Are you saying that a Qi master can push a 180 lb guys flying 20 feet away, but he can't push a 120 lb throwing dummy flying back the same way? Why?

How about push a 180 lb pig instead? What's the difference anyway?

I like the pig part! That would be great! Now THERE is an uncooperative partner right there, LOL!!

[SimonM]

Now for the news at eleven:

"Internal" "Master" gored by angry pig.

[Dragonzbane76]

his remains were later recovered from a steaming pile of pig sh!t.

now for your regularly scheduled program-

wing chun and grappling applications from forms.

[YouKnowWho]

With discussion like this, we don't need any of our MMA friends to make TCMA looks bad.

- Chin Na is hidden in a staff form.
- Internal Qi is good, external muscle power is bad.
- ...

If you can't hit your target it does not matter how much power you have.

I agree with you 100% on this. Just to prove that I'm not just trying to argue for the sake of argument (You will never heard our MMA friend to say "I agree with you" even if you just quote a sentence from the bible).

[SimonM]

I agree with you 100% on this. Just to prove that I'm not just trying to argue for the sake of argument (You will never heard our MMA friend to say "I agree with you" even if you just quote a sentence from the bible).

Hell, I'd be much more likely to agree with a statement like "it doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't actually hit your target" than a statement from some dusty old book of middle eastern morality parables.

That being said, my concern is that YiQuanOne seems to think that standing stake and the bizarre flailing shown in Yi Quan training videos is a more effective way of developing the ability to hit somebody than, you know, trying to hit someone.

Keep in mind, I'm not a MMA nutrider, hell the counter-example I posted came from Xingyi!

I'm just a rational person who expects fighting arts, outside the bounds of fiction, to be rational.

[YouKnowWho]

I'm not a MMA nutrider,

I was talking about our other MMA friend, the one who we suppose to ignore, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.