Looking over the various traditional forms I have come to the conclusion that Beng Bu is a variation of the so called "Seven Long 七長"
The last move of the source of the Beng Bu form is the Beng chui 崩捶 of the second road.
Looking over the various traditional forms I have come to the conclusion that Beng Bu is a variation of the so called "Seven Long 七長"
The last move of the source of the Beng Bu form is the Beng chui 崩捶 of the second road.
Richard A. Tolson
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Richard A. Tolson
https://www.patreon.com/mantismastersacademy
There are two types of Chinese martial artists. Those who can fight and those who should be teaching dance or yoga!
53 years of training, 43 years of teaching and still aiming for perfection!
Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!
If you look at any version of the old Mantis Manuscript attributed to Heaven Ascended Taost (pre Liang xuexiang) there is no form called Beng Bu or Luan Jie. And yet, it is said by Mantis masters that they are the oldest forms of Mantis. Something is clearly wrong here.
So, there must be a knowledge gap of what those forms are and where they come from. Or, praying Mantis is not really related to HAT's manuscripts and the whole story and genealogy are BS
Maybe this is relevant to the conversation...
From the description for "Xiao HuYan: Small Tiger Swallow" on Plumpub's website.There is an entire Screeching Tiger series of forms and this Xiao Hu Yan is not only said to be the basis of those forms, but also the first form created by the originator of Praying Mantis, Wong Long himself. (Yes, we know some people believe Bong Bu is the first form.)
https://www.plumpub.com/sales/dvd/dvdcoll_mantis.htm
Hi MB,
Xiaohuyan came into Tanglang only in the Republic Era (introduced mainly via the Qingdao and Jinan Guoshuguan) and is certainly not listed in any of the old manuscripts. It's really a longfist import.
Pretty much nothing remains that pre-dates Liang Xuexiang and Li Zhijian (AKA Sanjian). There are some forms in Tongbei TL that match the names from the old manuscripts but they are most likely retrofit. In reality, most of what's still around comes from Jiang Hualong, Song Zide and Wang Yunsheng. On the QX side, a lot can be attributed to Luo Guangyu and Wang Chuanyi. The curriculum exploded in Shanghai.
BT