So now burning coal is good for the environment

[Syn7]

well, as much as i would like to take credit for this find, it was from xiao...

heres your link:

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_keith...te_change.html

its like 4 years old, not 5... and its not exactly what we are talking here, but it applies... but lets not bicker over the small sh1t... its a fresh clip... who doeswnt love TEDtalks, right?

anyways, he discusses using sulphates to cool the earth, and this idea is much older than 5 years... watch and learn, this aint nuthin new...

[Syn7]

I have news for you, China doesn't have an EPA. So the more regulations we pass, the more factories, plants, and manufacturing goes to China. And they have no regulations! At least we have SOME. So wouldn't common sense dictate that we do what we can here, but we don't overdo it and force manufacturing to China? Wouldn't you rather have factories, etc operating under some regulations rather than no regulations? Because those are your only two choices. The manufacturing will get done, it's just a question of where it will get done. Which option do you prefer?

i see what you mean, but i disagree... if americans are so greedy and unpatriotic that they arent willing to make the sacrifice needed to save the planet then maybe we dont DESERVE to survive... regardless of chinas actions... people always talk about this careful balance and how we have to hold back progress in order to profit in order to save the world and the american way of life... its all bullsh1t... all of it... most americans are overly paranoid about dumb sh1t and don't even think of the stuff that really threatens...

[Syn7]

Yep, real compelling argument there.

best one so far, aye!!!!

[SoCo KungFu]

There ya go. 1998

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...A%3E2.0.CO%3B2

[BJJ-Blue]

i see what you mean, but i disagree... if americans are so greedy and unpatriotic that they arent willing to make the sacrifice needed to save the planet then maybe we dont DESERVE to survive... regardless of chinas actions... people always talk about this careful balance and how we have to hold back progress in order to profit in order to save the world and the american way of life... its all bullsh1t... all of it... most americans are overly paranoid about dumb sh1t and don't even think of the stuff that really threatens...

What do you disagree on? Are you saying China has an EPA? Or that they have more regulations than we do? Or that manufacturing is not moving more and more to China and out of the US?

And we are sacrificing. How you can say we aren't is beyond me. But you still don't get it. If we put into effect every regulation the militant environmentalists want, it would get WORSE. Then China would get almost all manufacturing. And in ~20 years or so they will pass the US in terms of the world's biggest economy. So it will get worse. We do need a "careful balance". If we under-regulate, it will get worse here (if you believe the frauds I admit), but if you over-regulate, the plants go to China and the problem gets much worse.

How can you say we are "paranoid" when we are losing jobs monthly, and unemplyment is already at 9.2% is crazy. That's not being paranoid, that's what's really happening. It's the real world. Your hatred of profits and business is why you are what you are. Stop believing socialists like Barack Obama and whack-jobs like Paul Ehrlich who hasn't ever made a correct prediction. Look at the good businesses do: they employ people, many give to charity, and they provide goods and services that Americans (and the rest of the world) want. Stop focusing on the negatives and look at the positives they do.

[BJJ-Blue]

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_keith...te_change.html

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...A%3E2.0.CO%3B2

The first link locked up about 7 minutes in, and the 2nd one wouldn't load, it gave me an error message. I'm at work and I can try at home later.

I will say that in those first 7 minutes I didn't hear a word about China or sulfer-rich coal. Maybe he says that later though.

[SoCo KungFu]

The first link locked up about 7 minutes in, and the 2nd one wouldn't load, it gave me an error message. I'm at work and I can try at home later.

I will say that in those first 7 minutes I didn't hear a word about China or sulfer-rich coal. Maybe he says that later though.

Funny how that works. Because it loads for me just fine. It takes about 15 seconds. Its 27 pages, pdf.

[BJJ-Blue]

Funny how that works. Because it loads for me just fine. It takes about 15 seconds. Its 27 pages, pdf.

I'll have to try it at home. I will read the links, I don't debate/discuss issues and not read the other sides sources, etc. You can't educate yourself by refusing to take in other opinions, facts, papers, etc just because they arent on 'your side'. I'll read them, hopefully tonight at home.

[SoCo KungFu]

I'll have to try it at home. I will read the links, I don't debate/discuss issues and not read the other sides sources, etc. You can't educate yourself by refusing to take in other opinions, facts, papers, etc just because they arent on 'your side'. I'll read them, hopefully tonight at home.

NVM I read your post wrong. I thought it said you couldn't read it at home and you'd try at work, which would be a rather "coincidental" happening. But I can understand work filters messing up a download.

But seriously this is like the first thing that pops up in google scholar under climate change and sulfur emissions. No offense but did you even try to look before asking?

[Syn7]

The first link locked up about 7 minutes in, and the 2nd one wouldn't load, it gave me an error message. I'm at work and I can try at home later.

I will say that in those first 7 minutes I didn't hear a word about China or sulfer-rich coal. Maybe he says that later though.

he talks about using sulphides to cool the planet and how the info has been readilly available since johnson was in the big chair...

its not specifically about china, its about the science that your story was based on... sorry, i was under the impression that you wanted to bring it back a lil bit and review the steps that led to what you posted... the TED talk more than addresses the issue... with a bit of brains and a few minutes you should have trouble in seeing how it applies to your post...

[SoCo KungFu]

So I have time to fly to South America, climb a volcano and bang a hot Ecuadorian in triumph and yet still no response huh? Figured as much....