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    Quote Originally Posted by duende View Post
    Hendrik... for once, I will agree with you.
    sick and off focus minded people isnt it?

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    People just get carried away in the heat of the argument.

    We all make mistakes from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duende View Post
    People just get carried away in the heat of the argument.

    We all make mistakes from time to time.
    OK. accept.

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    I suppose I didn’t really have enough time to commit on my last post so it came off a bit shorter and abbreviated than I would have liked. What I was eluding too was exactly what duende was talking about: you don’t have to play a “grappler’s game” just because he can take a hit and take you to the ground. If you establish your own boundaries and defend yourself properly, the jerky should never be able to even put his hands (or feet) on you to take you down. I am not hoping/ praying for a 1 punch kill or anything. More to the point I am hoping to achieve proper control of my opponent so that I can continue to bash his face in whilst he tries to grab a leg/arm/head/ whatever. If I don’t achieve the proper range control, there are other things which can still be done to pull my @$$ out of the fire, but they are emergency tactics and aren’t ideal. When I said “hit him in the face,” that is exactly the first thing I would do though. If he gets that close to me that we are going to the ground, he will certainly pay for the attempt.

    Also, I hear a lot of people talking about MMA fights on here and referring to them as “the real deal.” They are far from that. The rule books for those fights look like phone books, and the things you are allowed to do/ not allowed to do have reduced it to a strange form of gay porn. Not to say I don’t think those guys can’t fight or aren’t great athletes; not at all. I certainly wouldn’t pick a fight with any one of them just for sh1ts and giggles. BUT, were I to fight with one, I would certainly not hesitate to rip his ******* ear off, stick my thumb in his eye, or bite a finger in half if it were to save me. THAT is called phu q fu. That is reality. MMA is far from that…

    As for all the name-calling, and calling out of people’s teacher’s etc.: While it is impressive to watch a man be completely controlled by his emotions, it is, never-the-less, a waste of time. Again, I agree with duende: represent yourself and what you know, leave all the other bull-****** out of it. Nobody is impressed by insults. Oh, and please, please, please start using a dictionary and/ or a proper translator. Some of these posts are darn-near impossible to struggle through… If you can’t speak English well, perhaps this is not the forum for you…
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    If you establish your own boundaries and defend yourself properly, the jerky should never be able to even put his hands (or feet) on you to take you down. I am not hoping/ praying for a 1 punch kill or anything. More to the point I am hoping to achieve proper control of my opponent so that I can continue to bash his face in whilst he tries to grab a leg/arm/head/ whatever.
    The thing is, its far easier for someone to take you down than it is for you to defend being taken to the ground.. It also takes far less time to get good at it.

    Anyways, the point is you cant ignore the ground game. You cant ever believe you will be able to control where a fight goes. You only need to make sure you have options in as many places as it can go, to be best prepared. Outside in the real world, where you have to deal with things like rain, heavy winds, mud, concreate, walls, your opponents friends, weapons, etc. etc., you can't ever believe you can have control over where the fight goes. The idea that you can have enough control to make sure it doesn't go to the ground is simply an excuse for not training what they do.

    And its a common one I hear in many martial arts schools to justify an instructors lack of knowledge of the subject.

    And it is utterly ridiculous to think this way. It only limits yourself.


    Also, I hear a lot of people talking about MMA fights on here and referring to them as “the real deal.” They are far from that. The rule books for those fights look like phone books, and the things you are allowed to do/ not allowed to do have reduced it to a strange form of gay porn. Not to say I don’t think those guys can’t fight or aren’t great athletes; not at all. I certainly wouldn’t pick a fight with any one of them just for sh1ts and giggles. BUT, were I to fight with one, I would certainly not hesitate to rip his ******* ear off, stick my thumb in his eye, or bite a finger in half if it were to save me. THAT is called phu q fu. That is reality. MMA is far from that…
    For all the people who think MMA is 100% the real deal, there are just as many people who severely undervalue its importance to gauging realism.

    Yes, MMA has an extreme amount of rules to protect its athletes. This is true. But don't fool yourself. Its as real as it gets, and don't think that just because you can't poke someones eyes or rip off their ear, that its not like a real fight.

    You're looking at it the wrong way. You see two guys on the ground and think, well if he took me down I'll just poke out his eyes. But thats not how it is, it isn't like poking out someones eyes or ripping off their ear is some kind of secret kung fu technique.. Literally EVERYONE knows how to do it. So when you're on the ground, its two guys able to do the same things to eachother, but ONE guy, the guy who has more ground game experience, has positional dominance. And when you have the dominant position, you have an extreme advantage to being able to do anything you'd like, as well as preventing your opponent from doing anything.

    Its really hard to rip someones ear off, when you're on your back with a 200lb guy on top of your chest.

    You need to seriously take a look at the advantages of having a ground game, and instead of writing MMA off like so many pajama sifus do, appreciate it for the things it DOES show us. Which are an incredible amount of truths about the martial arts.
    Last edited by AdrianK; 06-05-2009 at 12:44 PM.

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    seriusly, until one knows what is WCK how can one mixing this and that?

    and also, knowing how to kick, doing Tan Bong Fok.... do some chi sau drill.... do some form set or doing some San Sau doesnt mean one have enter the door of WCK train.


    Look at the famous fast accelerate jin of WCK it is no longer here. So why is it if everyone doing WCK that the famous WCK tool is gone?

    Similar to one can mimic a four wheel drive car however when the engine and the platform is no longer four wheel drive but motorcycle engine and platform it has become not effective vehicle at all.

    adding more decoration is only going to drag down that motorcycle engine and platform. one might as well totally abandon the motorcycle engine and platform and started it fresh without burden.


    What is the point to hang on half dead art and keep adding mixing something but infact one is doing other art already?

    what is the point of this so called mixing? bottom line is just for title saving, face saving, autority saving.....etc took those out no point to hang on to WCK.
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    VTPlaya, think of it this way, in football or rugby the ball carrier thinks, I won't let them tackle me, I will use my skills to prevent them from being able to do that.

    Sometimes it works, no one can bring them down, but that isn't very often at all, sometimes they can get a tackler or even several to miss, but they still end up hitting the ground and a lot of times the first tackler brings them down.

    And this is someone who's primary job is to avoid being tackled and has other people running interference for him.

    So, ho well do you think you are going to do against someone who wants to get you on the ground?

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    Hendrick, thank you for whatever it was you just posted. It added just what was missing to this conversation, gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianK View Post
    The thing is, its far easier for someone to take you down than it is for you to defend being taken to the ground.. It also takes far less time to get good at it.

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    That is what your opponent and you may be want to believe. and it is just a believe.



    What is the reality?

    one doesnt know or not good enough on what one is doing so others defeat one.

    the defeat could be while standing, jumping, falling.....etc. not fix.




    But if you already believe one thing then your are subject to the influence of your believe.


    Until one can differentiate between BELIEVE and REALITY one is always just a follower and keep learning to defend tiredly and constantly in the state of short coming. no salvation but keep becomes others slave.





    nope not all Dracula win if you dont believe so


    have some gut to face the reality be it Mas Oyama or Graces or Count Dracula.
    Be a Van Helsing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOqC...eature=related





    answer your self a question, what is the art you practice and good at? if you are a warewolf dont be a Vampire. If you are a Vampire Dont be a warewolf. if you are a vampire be a vampire and fly. if you are a warewolf be a warewolf.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN_uIWlIrNI


    That simple.
    Last edited by Hendrik; 06-05-2009 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPinAZ View Post
    I have no issue with that. I will be in SL in 3 weeks for work. I'd be more than happy to go look T up and he can show me how 'wrong' I am in my thinking
    He has a standing invite for anyone in town to come train with him right? I'm cool with that, he doesn't have to travel anywhere. Not a challenge, just accepting the open invite..

    Of course, I'd probably have to go take a few years MT first like the other guy that lives there and took T up on his 'open invite'

    Or maybe he would act like he does at seminars and just sit in the corner afraid to touch hands..

    Or maybe he'd whine something about not being interested after all...

    Or maybe he'd say 'no, but you can meet me in LA when I'm there so my brothers that actually can fight can back me up'..

    Sorry for sidelining the thread. I was trying to keep my posts on-subject before T got his panties wadded up and tried his silly attempt to make it personal. I'll PM T so we can talk about maybe meeting up when I'm in SL and take this off the forums.

    Jonathan
    I PM'ed you my cell number, call me when you get into town. I'll be more than happy to SHOW you why HFY is nonsense.

    I'm not making this thread personal. I didn't say anything personal about YOU. I am saying it about your views (the HFY view). Do you understand the difference? Saying that your views are theoretical nonsense and not to be taken seriously isn't a personal attack; suggesting that I am a coward IS a personal attack.

    But, we'll sort this out when we meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    That is what your opponent and you may be want to believe. and it is just a believe.



    What is the reality?

    one doesnt know or not good enough on what one is doing so others defeat one.

    the defeat could be while standing, jumping, falling.....etc. not fix.




    But if you already believe one thing then your are subject to the influence of your believe.


    Until one can differentiate between BELIEVE and REALITY one is always just a follower and keep learning to defend tiredly and constantly in the state of short coming. no salvation but keep becomes others slave.





    nope not all Dracula win if you dont believe so


    have some gut to face the reality be it Mas Oyama or Graces or Count Dracula.
    Be a Van Helsing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOqC...eature=related
    Oooh Hendrik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianK View Post
    Oooh Hendrik.
    sure, dont you know my idol is Van Helsing? going after the Un dead needs lots of guts, taking risk, and hard work isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    sure, dont you know my idol is Van Helsing? going after the Un dead needs lots of guts, taking risk, and hard work isnt it?
    Ah, yeah, going after the undead is a lot like developing internal power, yin/yang, chi, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_niehoff View Post
    Ah, yeah, going after the undead is a lot like developing internal power, yin/yang, chi, etc.


    That is not your concern because it is not your weapon.


    believe it or not your take down will be difficult if the type of training were introduced back to the WCner today.

    believe it or not your chance to get knock out while you are standing will be much higher here on if the type of training were introduce back to WCner today.

    so, yes, there become a time of fair 50/50 take down or knock out chance. then, there is where the real fun begin. because there is no more MANTRA to protect you. hahahaha.
    Last edited by Hendrik; 06-05-2009 at 01:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    That is not your concern because it is not your weapon.
    Very true, since I am not concerned with killing the undead, I don't need the weapons like yin/yang, chi,internal power, etc. to kill them.

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