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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Each method has a purpose.
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    well I think it was just a good way to get a beginner to feel the torque, to learn that when you punch one hand forward, you add to the power by pulling opposite shoulder back.
    When I was 11, my brother in law taught me an open hand form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)" (not from the Bagua system) and a pole form "劈手杆 (Pi Shou Gan)". One day I got into a fight. When I asked him after the fight and told him that I didn't know how to use the information from that form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)", he stopped teaching me any more forms and asked me to train "1 step 3 punches" for the next 3 years. Since then "1 step 3 punches" is always part of my daily training.

    Assume you have trained "1 step 3 punches" all your life everyday. When you get old, which method will you prefer? A, or, B, or both A and B? I assume this should apply to all the other training as well. There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?

    When you are 80 years old, if you throw "1 step 3 punches", will you punch from your waist, or will you punch from your head guard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    . There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?
    The biggest problem in TCMA. People never cross that bridge from beginner body mechanics to real combat.
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    The biggest problem in TCMA. People never cross that bridge from beginner body mechanics to real combat.
    And that is one of the biggest problems with martial arts in general. I learned to fight for real before I ever stepped into a dojo or a kwoon. I adapted what I learned to my existing knowledge of real combat. It's like miming swimming movements for years without ever diving into a pool full of water and expecting to be able to move like a professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    When I was 11, my brother in law taught me an open hand form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)" (not from the Bagua system) and a pole form "劈手杆 (Pi Shou Gan)". One day I got into a fight. When I asked him after the fight and told him that I didn't know how to use the information from that form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)", he stopped teaching me any more forms and asked me to train "1 step 3 punches" for the next 3 years. Since then "1 step 3 punches" is always part of my daily training.

    Assume you have trained "1 step 3 punches" all your life everyday. When you get old, which method will you prefer? A, or, B, or both A and B? I assume this should apply to all the other training as well. There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?

    When you are 80 years old, if you throw "1 step 3 punches", will you punch from your waist, or will you punch from your head guard?
    Personally I warm up with the larger "traditional" movements, and then later move onto the more natural "combat" movements. Plus I only do those larger movements as solo training, when training with a partner, even in simple drills, I use more natural movements and casual stances. That way you can get the benefit of training larger more awkward movements, without them becoming a habit when reacting to an attack.

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    That is Zhang Daojin in his young age. Liuhe Tang Lang from Shan Xiang Ling branch (Lin Jiyou) i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?
    No matter how old, there always is something to develop.

    When we are young, we like to rely on our strength and toughness.

    When we get older, we can build on that by refining mechanics, relaxation, and range of motion.

    Do both.

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