[QUOTE=mvbrown21;1096955]Wow, way to throw me under the bus Joy!
((I am genuinely surprised by your comment.We are mis-communicating))joy
I've tried to leave the lineage out of it and have even responded that this has nothing to do with my Sifu, Sigung, etc.... This is a personal revelation and yet again, the small print at the bottom that no one seemed to read, I simply asked "Anyone else here feel the same way?"
((You did mention them in passing in your posts. Your post seemed to raise several different questions. I apparently do not feel the same way as you do. The art does not do anything- the artist does.))
I've also stated that I love WC and will probably never stop and that WC is a very effective self-defense system.
((I did not question that point)
I love how you say things too, like you aren't responding to me directly but choose an indirect path to save face. And it's definitely not about acceptance by others either Joy, and quite honestly, the indirect way you implied that to me offends me.
((Indirect- I don't think so. I did not intend to offend you or anyone else.))
Joy, you have a PhD, don't know what it's in, but hey, that means you're probably a smart guy.
((I am way past a PHD-I have given those for some time- but that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread or this list. Different hats in different places))
It doesn't take much after using a little scientific theory to see that, bottom line, either WC is one of the most difficult systems in the world to apply in a "pure" sense or it's simply not there, period, at least in the understanding that the WC community promotes. And I don't believe guys who fight and the actual technique isn't there, to be still fighting with WC
((I opt for the former.. wing chun aims for simplicity in application but is not simple to learn IMO.
Also- there is no such thing as "the WC community"-I have held that opinion for quite some time - almost from the beginning))
And that was my point, simple as that, WC has it's place in fighting but I choose reality over fantasy. Doesn't mean I'm bashing WC or my teacher or your teacher.
((I did NOT think that you were blasting your teacher or mine. I believe that you misunderstood what I was saying. Happens in net communications. Apparently I don't understand how you are using the terms "reality" and "fantasy". I am sorry for that.. plus any contribution of mine to the misunderstanding.))
I am happy and confident with my WC Joy. I think I can apply "certain" things against a "worthy" opponent. I think "others" can too. And I think there is that rare exception, as well.
((OK))
But I've concluded that there's some serious limitations to WC, and that the WC community is somewhat responsible for promoting an idea that it's a flawless system, hence putting the average practitioner in a somewhat safety situation. And at the end of the day Joy, the lack of evidence supports me more than you.
((I understand your stated opinion. You have not been here long enough to see some of my repeated statements that many folks should not be doing wing chun and many folks should not be teaching wing chun. Wing chun has spread too much for it's own good))
joy chaudhuri