The most controversial TCMA system

[crazedjustice88]

I didn't bash bagua. I said to separate form and drills from fighting. plum flower pole cant shuffle for safety. bagua walks for beauty.

bagua circle walking is plum flower post training without the post

Okay, then I apologize for misreading. Still though, how would you use the circle walking in combat? I honestly have no idea since I don't train it, thats why I'm asking.

[bawang]

Okay, then I apologize for misreading. Still though, how would you use the circle walking in combat? I honestly have no idea since I don't train it, thats why I'm asking.

circling in form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Bccq3ZVg#t=979

circling in combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomX...tailpage#t=178

[YouKnowWho]

wouldn't the opponent just come in and hit you...

Of course your opponent can attack you. I believe that's exactly what you want him to do. The purpose of your circling walking may just want to trigger your opponent to commit on something, so you can take advantage on it. Just like a groin kick, it's a strategy.

you don't walk around your opponent, you shuffle in a fighting stance

You have just hit the nail on the head.

I like to use this strategy. My circle walking is different from the Bagua circle walking. I will move the following way:

http://imageshack.us/a/img864/8041/circlerunningr.jpg

1. Move my back foot (about 1 foot distance) to be on line with my opponent's both feet.
2. If my opponent doesn't spin with me, I'll attack him right at that moment.
3. If my opponent spins with me, I will move my leading foot (about 3 inch distance) so my back foot, my leading foot, and my opponent's leading foot will be in a straight line. I then move my back foot again (go back to step 1).

In the whole process, my legs will never be crossed in front of my opponent. I'll constantly look for that opportunity that my back foot and my opponent's feet are on a straight line.

[crazedjustice88]

circling in form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Bccq3ZVg#t=979

circling in combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomX...tailpage#t=178

Okay, then let me ask this. Do you guys even do the circle walking that you do on the mui fah in combat or no? I know people shuffle, its a very common tactic to reset your position or try to find a new one, but I'm talking about what you do on the mui fah. At least in my mind and at my school, everything we do in the forms we do in the fights as well, so I was just wondering what and how you use circle walking in fights.

[crazedjustice88]

Of course your opponent can attack you. I believe that's exactly what you want him to do. The purpose of your circling walking may just want to trigger your opponent to commit on something so you can take advantage on it. Just like a groin kick, it's a strategy.

Uhuh...I know this, I was commenting on the whole dizzying up the opponent thing. But you are right in that sometimes people like to sit back and wait for the opponent.

[bawang]

Okay, then let me ask this. Do you guys even do the circle walking that you do on the mui fah in combat or no? I know people shuffle, its a very common tactic to reset your position or try to find a new one, but I'm talking about what you do on the mui fah. At least in my mind and at my school, everything we do in the forms we do in the fights as well, so I was just wondering what and how you use circle walking in fights.

I do the drill as shown in video.

[crazedjustice88]

I do the drill as shown in video.

Okay, then why do northern shaolin people train it on the posts? What does that teach and do they use it in fighting?

[bawang]

Okay, then why do northern shaolin people train it on the posts? What does that teach and do they use it in fighting?

to train stability.

[crazedjustice88]

to train stability. footwork on the pole carries over to footwork on the ground.

Okay, but do they use that exact stepping pattern in combat?

[bawang]

Okay, but do they use that exact stepping pattern in combat?

no and neither does yours.

[GeneChing]

1900 article on boxing, answering the difference between northern and southern kung fu

What is the source of the 19th century article?

it said ten plus a few

And from that you drew this?

northern kung fu engage at 7 to 18 feet.

That's like answering the question of how many are in a baker's dozen by saying 'about 7 or 18'.

[bawang]

What is the source of the 19th century article?

And from that you drew this?

That's like answering the question of how many are in a baker's dozen by saying 'about 7 or 18'.

guide to boxing by unknown author.

in hongquan the boxing distance is the same as spear distance. since spear ranges from 7 feet to 18 feet, I said so. since traditional lei tai is 20 to 30 feet wide, its ten and a few feet.
since that article said longfist is like jousting with the fists I assume the guy meant the same thing.

[YouKnowWho]

northern kung fu engage at 7 to 18 feet.

There are a move in

- Gong Li Quan that you can use it to jump in 12 - 15 feet.
- 1st road Mai Fu Quan that you can use it to jump back 12 - 15 feet.

I used to take these 2 moves out of the forms and used it as "entering" and "retreating".

[crazedjustice88]

no and neither does yours.

Hahaha, yeah we do. Every pattern we use on the mui fah, we use in combat dude. Or else why would we train it? Thats why we use the kay men bo and the mui fah is the "secret" to it. Thats why I was asking.

Every step, every direction, every angle. All of that is what our fighting looks like and thats why its such a HUGE part of our training.

[bawang]

Hahaha, yeah we do. Every pattern we use on the mui fah, we use in combat dude. Or else why would we train it? Thats why we use the kay men bo and the mui fah is the "secret" to it. Thats why I was asking.

Every step, every direction, every angle. All of that is what our fighting looks like and thats why its such a HUGE part of our training.

you cannot train combat footwork on a pole.