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01-22-2001, 11:39 PM
I need info about shaolin temples in korea...
this info is really needed, cos i´m searching info about this style called so-rimsa, which is what i'm doing now
pls....all feedbak is really appreciated
this post come with the one i made in the general
forum called "korean style of shao-lin kung fu"
and with the one i made in cyberkwoon (sorry about that)which is in http://www.cyberkwoon.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000345.html

aps....and, sorry mi english...

Shaolin Temple
02-09-2001, 05:00 AM
It is a place of cultivation for yourself and to yourself only. The art
of Martial Arts arises from the idea and philosophy that a healthy mind
requires a healthy body.

Before the body can be strengthened, one has to realise that Shaolin
upholds Buddhism because it is an education systems from which modern
post-graduate and continuous education originates from.

Buddhism in itself is not a religion. It is a form of education. Over
the centuries, due to the influence of taoism, when Buddhism was
introduced, many followers have a habit of offerrings to the Heavens
that they find hard to abandon...so they adopt it.

These monks that some of you mention that gets married are not true
monks. In Shaolin, people may enter as outside disciples or Reverends.
the reverends cannot marry, eat meat, etc. They will have 6 eyes burned
to their scalp. One for every text of rules.

The ones without the eyes on the scalp are probationary monks who are
there to learn the art of Martial Arts and nothing else. they are not
interested in the cultivation aspects of it. If they are, there is
available another group in the Temple that they may enrol into for
further education.

for some of you who say kung fu this and kung fu that...here's a small
history to begin with.

The north is famous for its kicks. The south for its punches.

Many true Southern Shaolin techniques emphasize the importance of stance
and it is from stance and the ability to be solid that the power of the
punches are recognised.

A small history first...

What does 'Kung Fu' mean?
Like many other terms used in connection with the
Martial Arts today, the term 'Kung fu' is often mis-applied. Translated
literally, kung fu means 'excellence through hard work' or 'skilled
achievement'. Therefore one could be said to display 'kung fu' at
cooking or at computer programming.

There is nothing inherently martial about the term, but in the 1950s,
the Hong Kong film industry started using the two characters 'Kung Fu'
for their martial arts action movies and the phrase has been closely
associated with Chinese Martial Arts ever since - particularly in the

Professionals refer to the practice of Chinese martial arts as 'Wu Kung'
or 'Wu Shu' which connote the specific martial (Wu) development of skill
(Kung) or art (Shu).

What's the difference between Traditional Chinese Martial Arts and

Chinese martial arts were formalised over two thousand years ago, and
were developed primarily by Buddhist and Taoist monks. Thus, the Chinese
are universally acknowledged to have have the oldest, best-proven
systems - almost all other legitimate systems will acknowledge the debt
they owe to the Chinese systems, which spread throughout Asia. Methods
such as Karate, Judo or Taekwondo were developed hundreds of years after
the formalisation of the Chinese systems, and as such, owed much of
their development to Chinese martial arts systems - Karate, as first
taught by Southern Chinese monks and practised on Okinawa, was
originally called 'Tang Te' which translates as 'Chinese Hand'. The
characters were later changed to 'Kara Te' ('Empty Hand') during a
period of strong Japanese nationalism.

What are Traditional Chinese Martial Arts?

In Chinese culture, there are the so-called 'five excellences.' These
are: Calligraphy, Poetry,
Painting, Music and Martial Arts. The objective in mastering any of
these arts is to achieve a state
of calmness and equilibrium which the Chinese refer to as

Mastery of any of the excellences would grant this state of peace and
balance; traditional martial arts grant further benefits as well -
health, fitness and the ability to defend one's self or others.

In trying to understand these arts, it is important to realise that in
China, they were developed primarily by Buddhist and Taoist monks whose
goal was to prolong their lives. The key for these aesthetes was to
enrich themselves spiritually - self-defence was of secondary concern.
However, when monks were sent out from the temples to gather alms, the
harsh reality of having to defend themselves arose and the techniques
that they had developed and practised purely for health reasons had to
be adapted to deal with the threats of the outside world.

The systems that these holy men developed spread throughout China and
across Asia, some being
adapted for purely combative use, some strictly for health development,
some for theatrical
performance while others retained the essence of the original arts - to
prolong and enrich the life of the practitioner, with the added benefit
of providing an effective system of self-defence, should the need arise.

What's the difference between Traditional Chinese Martial Arts and

Kick-boxing is a sport. It's all about scoring points in competition
'fighting' where there are a clear set of rules, gloves, pads and a
referee to control things. Traditional Shaolin training is not concerned
with competitions of this nature. The techniques as taught are given to
deal with real life situations where there are no rules and no referee
to step in and save your life! Traditional techniques were developed to
save lives under the most extreme circumstances - no really conclusive
test is possible between students of traditional Shaolin, unless they
choose to get involved in a all-out, real fight since Shaolin techniques
are inherently dangerous and do not lend themselves to control measures.

One Shaolin Master recently wrote: "Shaolin in its orthodox form, is not
a game to be played for the
entertainment of an audience or the whims of sports-minded exponents.
Although there have been
competitions between Shaolin experts, none of these have proven
satisfactory to orthodox

So at the end of the day...North versus South...as Sifu and Abbott would
say...there is no permanence.
The more Shaolin there are, the better.


08-12-2020, 09:05 AM
Mixed Martial Arts
How Dagestan’s ‘Shaolin Temple’ produced UFC stars Zabit Magomedsharipov and Muslim Salikhov (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3096590/how-dagestans-shaolin-temple-produced-ufc)
Zabit and Salikhov’s traditional martial arts values instilled in them as students at a wushu academy founded by painter and philosopher in an empty field
‘The main goal is to develop all-rounded human beings,’ says school’s coach – ‘the world will know our lads conduct themselves with dignity’
Pavel Toropov
Published: 3:18pm, 8 Aug, 2020

Zabit Magomedsharipov with his sanda medals (left) and Muslim Salikhov at the 2013 World Combat Games. Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

Russia already has two UFC champions. Zabit Magomedsharipov, from the Russian republic of Dagestan, could soon become the third. Another promising Dagestani fighter, Muslim Salikhov, was signed by UFC in 2017 and won his last four bouts.
Zabit and Salikhov, practitioners of traditional Chinese martial art wushu sanda, are humble and courteous to a fault. The only thing media have to talk about are their performances in the Octagon.
These traditional martial arts values were instilled in them when the pair where students at a boarding school known as Dagestan’s Shaolin Temple.
Called Pyat Storon Sveta in Russian, or “five cardinal directions” (North, South, East and West, plus a fifth one that symbolises personal enlightenment) the school teaches wushu. It was founded by philosopher and painter Gusein Magomaev and his wife, Olga.


Magomaev, now 70, was one of the most successful karate instructors in the Soviet Union. But in the early 1980s he switched to wushu, considering it the origin of all martial arts.
The couple then left Moscow for Gusein’s native Dagestan, a multi-ethnic mountainous region in the south of Russia. Next to a village called Khalimbek-Aul, the Magomaevs started to build a wushu academy from scratch in an empty field. Soon hundreds of people started to arrive from all over the Soviet Union to learn.
But the Magomaevs wanted to teach children. “The most noble profession that exists is working with children – raising them, educating them, coaching them,” Gusein said. They decided to turn the academy into a boarding school for boys where wushu was part of the curriculum. Dagestan was the right place to do it.
In the 19th century it took the Russian Empire decades to establish its rule over the fiercely independent mountain people of the Caucasus in what is now Dagestan. In every one of the dozens of local ethnic groups, men valued bravery and prowess in battle.
Nowadays, Dagestanis express their warrior genes in combat sport. Three million people live in Dagestan, just 2 per cent of the Russian population, but out of 10 Russian fighters currently ranked by the UFC, seven are Dagestani.

Gusein Magomaev teaching wushu in his school in Dagestan in the 1980s. Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

The collapse of the USSR devastated Dagestan. The economy folded, poverty soared. The youth, deprived of education and employment opportunities, were sucked into an Islamic insurgency.
Amid this chaos, the Magomaevs and their students put up buildings and recruited teachers. They funded everything, with the state practically bankrupt in the 1990s.
The school formally opened in 1996, accepting boys from the age of 10 from all over Dagestan. There were no fees.
One of the school’s coaches is Evgeniy Saschenko, who arrived in 1990 as a 14-year-old, travelling alone across 1,000 kilometresto learn wushu from Magomaev. “I told my parents that if they don’t let me go, I will run away,” Saschenko said.
An outsider, Saschenko had to win the respect of the tough local boys and learn the customs. But his sporting career was cut short, as there was no money to send competitors anywhere. He became a coach.
Saschenko recalls the hardships of the 1990s. During the insurgency he had to guard the school. “We were issued weapons and radios … the country was in chaos, but we had the strongest desire to learn and to train,” he says.
“In the evenings Gusein Saigidovich (Magomaev) read to us – Plato, Seneca, Lao Tzu, about Confucius. He and his wife became second parents to me and to other lads.”

Coach Evgeniy Saschenko with a student during a competition. Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

Thirty years later, coach Saschenko is still there. He married a teacher and their eldest son, Artur, is junior world kick-boxing champion.
The school now has a large gym, modern classrooms and dormitories for 300 boys. Last year 170 children applied. The school could only take 50.
By 2019, the school had produced 4,616 wushu champions – at regional, national, European and world level.

Gusein Magomaev teaching a wushu class in the 1980s. Students arrived from all over the USSR. Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

Discipline is strict and the days are spent studying and training. “It is like the army – you know exactly what you must be doing, and when,” UFC star Salikhov recalls.
The school walls are adorned with stern slogans. “Respect others and you will be respected. Look down on others, and you will be looked down on,” reads one.
But the English department has colourful murals of London’s Beefeaters and red double-decker buses. The school prides itself on the quality of its English education.

Zabit Magomedsharipov and Evgeniy Saschenko with students in the school gym. Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

This is not a Soviet-style “sports school” where grades and exam results are a formality. “The teachers demand a lot of you. You can get a good education here,” Salikhov says.
Saschenko adds: “The main goal of our founder is to develop all-rounded human beings. If a person isn’t developed intellectually, it is like having a body part missing. If a person has no ethics, it is the same. There are many great athletes, but not all are worthy human beings.”
At tournaments the students are even discouraged from celebrating after a win, says Salikhov. This is considered disrespectful.

Coach Evgeniy Saschenko (right) with Zabit Magomedsharipov (centre). Photo: Pyat Storon Sveta

Salikhov and Zabit reached the pinnacle of sanda. Five-time world champion Salikhov is acknowledged as one of the best – in 2006, he won the open-weight King of Kung Fu tournament in Chongqing, the first non-Chinese to do so. Zabit is five-time Russian champion and 2012 European champion.
Despite sanda being well suited to MMA, the school’s students have trouble with one technique – finishing off the opponent, hitting a man when he is down and hurt.
“I don’t like it. If you see that the guy is not going to get up, better walk away rather than really try to do him in,” Salikhov says.

Muslim Salikhov kicks Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos in their welterweight fight during UFC 251. Photo: Jeff Bottari/Zuffa LLC via USA TODAY Sports

Will this mindset affect their careers in MMA where brutality and notoriety drive up viewing figures and earning power?
Saschenko’s reply is unequivocal. “Zabit and Muslim will find their own fans – there are many people for whom modesty and decency have value,” he says. “The world will know that our lads conduct themselves with dignity.”

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