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FIRE HAWK
09-16-2000, 10:21 AM
Hi has anybody ever seen a picture of these to masters why is there know pictures of WONG FEI HUNG he was so famouse.And what about the famouse Wingchun master LEUNG JAN i know that sifu WONG KIEW KIT has pictures of LEUNG JAN in kung fu stances these pictures of LEUNG JAN are in some old magazine that he has i tried to get WONG KIEW KIT to show these pictures on his websites but with know luck.FIRE HAWK

NorthernMantis
09-23-2000, 04:22 AM
/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That's exactly what I was thinking!!I always wondered how Wong fei Hung looked like.

Tru-MA
09-30-2000, 08:31 AM
I found a picture of Wong Fei Hung before, but it isn't a photo, it's a drawing...and I was a bit surprised to see what he actually looks like (hint: more like Kwan Tak Hing and less like Jet Li /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).
I found it while wandering around at hungga.net

bean curd
10-01-2000, 05:51 AM
this question has been asked before, so not to expand on it any futher, what happened, at least to the family photo's of wong fei hung, as it has been said by his wife mok wai lan, and also recorded, is that in 1924, wong fei hungs house was burnt down, and all the photo's of him where destroyed in the fire.

wong fei hung is said to have looked like the god of longevity, and also his son wong so, is a very good likeness of him

as to photo's of him, it is more than possable that those who where taught by wong fei hung do have photo's, and due to them being cherished possessions, will not show them. this is not as strange as it seems, very common in chinese martial culture.

another reason is that when wong fei hungs first son, wong how sung a.k.a wong yi sam was murdered, he went into seclution even more, this also happened in 1924.

there is in fu shan a statue of wong fei hung which has been put on many hung gar sites, so you can have a look at it.

there is also a photo that has been suspected of having wong fei hung in it, but due to the sensitivity of the issue it is not being shown publicly until further investigation, which may never been seen, due hardly anyone remembering how he actually looked.

hope this has helped

Julio Gonzalez
11-22-2000, 07:54 PM
To all these who are interested. There is know pictures of wong fei hung because he never took one. He had a bad acne complexion.

Seal6
11-23-2000, 04:00 AM
I once saw a picture of what my Sifu said may be Wong Fei Hung. He was in a group shot at some important function, who knows if this was the real McCoy we may never know. The statue in China may be our best likeness to go by.

BIU JI
11-23-2000, 05:15 AM
Maybe he was afraid the camera would capture his spirit!a /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Ć’

CPS
12-22-2000, 05:57 PM
Have a look here:
<A HREF="http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic.htm</A>

HA HA HA, "Everything you say, can and will be used against you" MMMM

FIRE HAWK
12-23-2000, 02:08 AM
The picture on the website does not work it does not show up when you go to the website. FIRE HAWK

vingtsunstudent
12-23-2000, 03:06 AM
well i got the photo to come up & all i can say is that leung ting never stops amazing me at the lengths he will go to to prove his stupidity.
if that's wong fei hung then i am bruce f'n lee.
vts

illusionfist
12-23-2000, 04:18 AM
That man in the picture looks a lot like WFH's 10th son, Wong So.

FIRE HAWK
12-23-2000, 06:17 AM
I still cant get that **** picture to come up.Why wont it work. FIRE HAWK

fiercest tiger
12-23-2000, 06:38 AM
i have a few mags on real kung fu, from hongkong and i am pretty sure i have a group photo and wfh is in it with his wife, mok whoever.

ill have a look and scan it for you.

wong fei hung did have big ears like one of the gods. that is true i have heard this many times. ;)

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

loki
12-23-2000, 08:01 AM
FT, I think I know the issue you are speaking of but it's not Wong Fei Hung in the photo , it's Wong Fei Hung's son. In the caption I believe they made mention that he looked very much like his father. The statement was made as if saying to the reader " since we don't have an actual photo of WFH, if you look at his son you can get an idea what he looked like." At least that's how I took it. I will look at it again when I get a chance.

NO ROAD IS AS LONG OR FILLED WITH AS MANY OBSTACLES AS THE ONE TRAVELLED BY THE CHINESE BOXER. FEW ATTEMPT TO TAKE IT . THOSE THAT REACH IT'S END ARE EVEN FEWER.

FIRE HAWK
12-23-2000, 08:05 AM
That would be great fiercest tiger.Thanks alot FIRE HAWK

CPS
12-23-2000, 08:25 AM
Fire Hawk,

It might help to set your browser to West European standard.
If not, use <A HREF="http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic_bestanden/image002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic_bestanden/image002.jpg</A>
Than only the picture should show up.

As for real or fake. Th epage already indicates it's very likely to be a joke by LT.

fiercest tiger
12-23-2000, 08:53 AM
if that is wong fei hung than the photo has been keep in good condition, usually you would see some faint or torn pictures, well if it is than good.

loki- you maybe right i will go through all my mags and books. :D

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

CPS
12-23-2000, 09:04 AM
Fiercest Tiger,

I have the photo of the group with Mok Gwei Lam and the tenth son already scanned in my computer, so I will send it to Fire Hawk.
If otheres are interested in that photo, give me an email.

Charris

fiercest tiger
12-23-2000, 09:30 AM
so it was the tenth son! is it the same person in the leung tin book?

well you here good stuff on kfo SOMETIMES. :)

will we see any picture of this phantom?

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

CPS
12-23-2000, 11:13 AM
Fiercest Tiger,

The text under the group photo says "tenth son". (See your mailbox!)

The group photo is very unclear, so it's impossible to really compare it to the photo of Leung Ting's book.

But you can read enough about Leung Ting's reputation regarding photo's in the Wing Chun Forum.
I just can't add such "info" to the site, because there are many, many WT practioners in Europe.

Considering the quality of the photo and WFH not having a pig-tail (but bald), I personally think it's rather a photo of his son than of the real Wong Fei Hung.

BUT what if this time it's a real photo?
Then I would really feel stupid if I had not added it to my site. Now the reader/viewer can just make up his mind.

fiercest tiger
12-23-2000, 01:01 PM
the photo wouldnt come up for some reason! but thanks anyway, hey whats your web site address?

happy holidays.

:D

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

CPS
12-23-2000, 03:33 PM
It's <A HREF="http://www.hungga.net" TARGET="_blank">www.hungga.net</A>
The site is called Hungga United. Ever heard of it?
I don't make the site alone though. I make it together with a Czech Hungga practitioner, and occasionally others help.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everybody.

Je Lei Sifu
12-27-2000, 04:17 AM
Does anyone know the aproximate date of this picture? It seems that this picture would be of someone in their late 30's to mid 40's. And if that is true, then it could not be Wong Fei Hung.

My opion is that it is Wong Fei Hung's son. I compared it to the picture that hang's in our school and it looks to much like his son and there are no features which are any differet. In that picture there are other famous master including Mok Gwai Lan, Ho Lap Tin, Chui Cao, Gwan Tak Hing, and Tang Sao Kin ect.along with Wong Fei Hung's 10th son and it looks as if it could have been taken aproximately around the same year. Wong Fei Hung's Birthday Celebration 1958.

Can anyone give an aproximate date?

Peace

Je Lei Sif

The Southern Fist Subdues The Fierce Mountain Tiger

CPS
12-28-2000, 10:15 AM
I don't know the date the pic is made.
However the photo is being discused in HK too.
A magazine compared the photo with a photo of the son.
It was obvious the photo was NOT of the son.
I have added ascan of this to the page.
See <A HREF="http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://home.hetnet.nl/~cps/wongpic.htm</A> (again).

illusionfist
12-28-2000, 11:27 AM
It would really help if we didn't have your blasted site name in huge letters across the face, it would really help us in order to make a comparison. Some of the most distinct features of his face are covered cuz of it.

Peace :D

CPS
12-29-2000, 12:41 AM
How can you know it are distinct features if it's covered.
It are the eyes that make the difference.
Unless the tenth son was suddenly wearing eye shadow etc. to fool us, the photo of the supposed WFH is not the tenth son.

As for the name covering it up. It's necessary, because certain people steal the photo's from my site. (And that is a problem if somebody gave me a photo in trust.) So I have to do certain things to protect my site, although it doesn't look always that good. (And writing the name, is the only 100% garanteed protection.)

L D S
09-17-2001, 10:39 PM
Article in Chinese and pictures of the opening of the Wong Fei Hung Museum in Foshan by Chiu Chi Ling.

web page (http://www.huangfeihong.com.cn/feihongguan/show4+2.htm)web page (http://www.huangfeihong.com.cn/feihongguan/show4+1.htm)

Ling

yik-wah-tik
09-17-2001, 11:26 PM
please re-post the website info because it is not correct. no connection.

thank jew hung loong.

L D S
09-17-2001, 11:59 PM
Actually it are 2 webpages. And with me it works.

Ling

The Whyzyrd
09-18-2001, 01:14 AM
Is there an english version by chance?

"The Wolf does not regard the barking dog"

DF
09-18-2001, 02:02 AM
Don't forget some of the Yee's were there also in the pics (the one in yellow shirts). It was a big event, I heard everyone had a great time.

thks for the link

DF

L D S
09-18-2001, 08:06 AM
Use babel fish to translate by using the URL and the whole site can be translated.

web page (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)

Ling

Lilian Wong
09-18-2001, 03:55 PM
Interesting site.
It tells Dang Yee and Dang Fong were students of Lam Sai Wing.

DF
09-18-2001, 07:29 PM
There is a section of the museum that is dedicated to Tang Fong, and it clearly stated that Tang Fong was a disciple of Wong Fai Hung.


DF

Are we starting this things again?

Us New Yorkers have very little tolerance at this moment!

L D S
09-22-2001, 09:21 AM
Let's get back to the topic and watch these nice pictures. Seeing people that are proud of being Hung Gar practitioners, proud of being part of the Wong Fei Hung Legacy.

http://65.11.5.58/~hunggar/Scanned_from_Chih/Fa%20Shan/

Ling

diego
09-22-2001, 09:50 AM
what do you guys know about canton? 10tigers
and the relationship between hungga grandmaster wong-fei-hung & hop ga grandmaster wong-yan-lam,
ive heard from three sources the tiger/crane of wfh was influenced by wyl's longfists and wfh gave wyl his tiger claw technique.

South Paw
09-22-2001, 10:04 AM
I have heard this too.
Can you please name your (written) sources?

Klaas Padberg Evenboer

aka

South Paw

diego
09-22-2001, 10:14 AM
and sifu david ross wrote a article in kf mag

South Paw
09-22-2001, 10:28 AM
Thank's diego,

The two chaps you met on this forum probably used the info of David Ross's article. An article that I have read.

South Paw

diego
09-22-2001, 10:38 AM
wyl and wfh were peers

i heard fron the other chap tarn sam and wyl learnt ironwire from the same monk???? :D

bean curd
09-22-2001, 10:40 AM
great photo's, thanks for sharing

DF
09-22-2001, 07:44 PM
Thks Ling, great pictures!!!

Let hope this is the beginning of something great!!

DF

L D S
09-22-2001, 08:09 PM
DF and beancurd, thanks for the compliments.

I hope too this can be a start of something great.
I know more schools were willing to come, but could not make it. Maybe a festival, inclusive tournament, is a good idea.

DF, what's up with the Wong Fei Hung Tournament in New York / New Jersey?

Ling

DF
09-23-2001, 12:00 AM
The WFH tournament will still be held as schedule, we have decided not to allow our life be disrupted by a small group of extremist.

There will be a fund raising at the tournament.

DF

bean curd
09-24-2001, 09:22 AM
to a degree now hung kuen players have a focal meeting point, non-exclusive, non-political, non- lineage, with the focal point being wong fei hung and hung kuen.

ling what you have said is a start of thought that could develop into a major function for all people.

all we need now is the wong fei hung motel/hotel then we could have cheap accomidation haha.

i hope if this does become an anual event, more notice is given so calanders can be planned around it, either way it is a start.

L D S
09-24-2001, 12:41 PM
Thanks bean curd,

I will check it with Frank Yee and Chiu Chi Ling if they and other Sifu will make an annual event out of this.

Focus on Hung Kuen and Wong Fei Hung. It's the same as focusing on training and our glorious history.
That's a good thing.

Ling

CPS
09-24-2001, 07:53 PM
Ling,

Thanks for the link.
Ha ha, now everybody knows where I stole some of the pics.
Anyway I already added the page a month ago to my links page. And the bable fish sounds familiar too, whom did I email it to again????

But more important. Translations of some parts will be on my website in the next update (still to come).

As for the tournament. I wish all participants all the best there. I hope I can be there in future too.

FIRE HAWK
05-04-2002, 09:28 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://chinwan.com.ar/hungar.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DFukien%2BFujian%2BKung%2BFu%26hl%3Den %26sa%3DG%26scoring%3Dr

David Jamieson
05-04-2002, 09:59 AM
The photo is often misrepresented as Huang Fei Hung. It is his son and not him.

Wong Fei Hung (Huang Fei Hong) was born in 1847 (8 years after the invention of the camera) and died in 1924. We can see that the quality of this picture surpasses the quality of pictures that are otherwise found in this time period. Even some of the photos of Lam Tsai Wing are of lesser quality!

The only "picture" that I have seen of Huang Fei Hung is a rather simple etching. It is said that there are no remaining photos of Master Huang. However there is a statue in Fushan that depicts Master Huang. The statue and the etching bear resemblance to each other but not to that photo.

The clue to the "error" is in the quality of the photo. Huang Fei Hung lived in a time when Cameras were still in their infancy and developmental stage. The quality of the photo would not be as good as it is in the picture of his son.

He did apparently have a few children. It is currently said that his succesor was Lam Tsai Wing. Few refute this, but it is known that Hung Gar spread far and wide outside of the lineage that runs from Lam Tsai Wing to Lam Jo to Lam Chun Fai as the current Lineage holder.

Hung Gar is by far one of the premier and most popular styles of Southern Sil Lum Kung Fu in the world today.

peace

Je Lei Sifu
05-05-2002, 07:29 PM
It is currently said that his succesor was Lam Tsai Wing. Few refute this, but it is known that Hung Gar spread far and wide outside of the lineage that runs from Lam Tsai Wing to Lam Jo to Lam Chun Fai as the current Lineage holder.

Kung Lek, you not being a part of the Hung Family should choose your words wisely. There is no mention outside of the Lam Family that Wong Fei Hung ever appointed anyone as his succesor. To make such and accusation is not wise. You being outside of the recent problems with the different lineages of Hung Ga has nothing to gain by promoting the Lam's, but by postin such non-sense which is not related to the original topic of this post can ignite another fire, which at this time still burns to a certain extent.

The Lam Family is the current lineage holder of their on lineage and not the other lineages that extend from Wong Fei Hung. Please, next time just stick to the topic at hand and don't speak about things that do not concern you or your lineage.

Peace

Je Lei Sifu

David Jamieson
05-05-2002, 07:42 PM
Jei Li

I have no argument with you and I am in no way interested in the politics surrounding the chinese martial arts.
I am one person voicing only my own opinion.

peace

Nick Lo
05-06-2002, 02:50 AM
Oh looky who has made themselves look like an idiot again?

Looks like Kungsters video fu has shown us the err of our ways once again.

By the way Kungy, hows that fake kempofied-stolen from Wing Lam- lineage going these days?

Gotta love how she pretends to speak as an authority on a subject it knows nothing about; then when called on such b.s. declares "it's my personal opinion" or "my style is EXACTLY like it".

Let us recite the oath of the Hungabee...
"I love Hung Gar,
Oh how I wish I could be Hung Gar,
I know I'll never get far,
Trying to claim that i'm Hung Gar."

And before someone tries busting my ba||s again about Seng Au, thinking because he's the only Hawaiian kung fu sifu they've ever heard of - that I'm an automatic student.... please remember this:

I AM A HUNGABEE

That means I don't do the Holy Hung.

Don't get too comfy...

Nevermind
05-06-2002, 01:32 PM
As a newcomer to Hung Gar (5 months), I find it to be really cool that there is a "family" atmosphere among practitioners. However, it seems that there is some sort of dispute between different lineages. Forgive me for my ignorance, but perhaps someone could give a little info as to what this stems from. I'm sensing a little tension here.

TenTigers
05-06-2002, 03:20 PM
OK, I'll be real breif 'cause I don't feel like getting up and grabbing my notebook; There are many families under the Banner "Hung" Hung Hei Guen had other students besides Luk Ah Choy, who taught Wong Kay-Ying and Wong Fei-Hung, etc these lineages are referred to as village Hung Kuen, Those who trace their lineage to Wong Fei-Hung are called Hung-Ga or Guongdong Hung-Ga. Wong Fei-Hung had several students, most noteworthy are Lam Sai-Wing and Tang Fung, who each have their own seperate lineages, which also split down the line depending on which succesive generation you are from.
Bottom line; we are all Hung family, we all agree to disagree.
Question: How many Hung-Ga practitioners does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Answer: Three-one to put it in, and the other two to say, "That's good, we do it a little different"
-Just my two cents- DF and Beancurd are the pros on this topic and I differ to them. "HIT IT, DF !"

DF
05-06-2002, 05:08 PM
Bottom line, if any new Hung Ga players not familiar with the event that had happened, don't worry about it or you can ask your sifu. There is an old saying, no need to air out the family dirty laundries for everyone to see or something like that.

Second, there has been relative peace among the families so far and let keep it that way. There has been some consrtuctive talks among the different families even though the progress is slow but it is heading to a better direction. Most important of all, there is no need to concern ourselve with none family members opinion.
Those who are authorize to speak on behalf of each of the different clan has not raise any issue or cause any disruption to the peace. So don't let any outsiders that are not part of the family stir up any unnecessary wave.

DF

ps Brother Je Lei Sifu, we know where your heart is, no need to get upset.

Fifth Brother
05-06-2002, 07:53 PM
Actually Kung Lek's sifu does Hak Fu Pai (southern Black Tiger) which can be considered Hung Fist. Therefore Kung Lek is part of the Hung family even though he may not do the same sets as you do in Hung Gar (Hung Ga, Hung Kuen etc.). Some accounts say one of the systems WFH knew was Hak Fu Pai.

Nick Lo, take your dislike of Kung Lek up with him without being insulting to his teacher. For your edification, I know his teacher and he is respected by the elders of Chinatown where he teaches (and not being Chinese or actually full Chinese, that is no easy task). He's a nice guy, treats other people fair even if they have not done so to him. But you had better pray you don't ever have to fight him as he is one of the deadliest people I know when it comes to real combat.

Je Lei Sifu
05-06-2002, 08:56 PM
By no means was I upset with Kung Lek, I just don't wish to see things posting which some seem to get there energy and base their knowledge on.

As I have stated, I would like for this to stay as if was originally posted. The question about the pic of WFH. All additional things not related does not apply here.

Kung Lek,


In no way was I trying to offend you, I just wanted to remind you of what we have learned from the past. It is hard to convey words in their proper context through typed dialogue. I wish the best for you ;)

DF,

Of course you know where my heart is, peace to you.

Peace

Je Lei Sifu

Nevermind
05-07-2002, 06:21 AM
Ten Tigers and DF, thanks for the info. I guess there are multiple paths to the same destination. Its all good. Besides, its the journey that we are in it for not the destination itself. Going back to the original topic, I read somewhere that all the pictures of the real Wong Fei Hung were destroyed when his house burned down. However, he supposedly had a son that was the spitting image of him. I guess the picture of his son and the statue are the closest we're going to get. It would be cool though, to put a face with the legend.

PM
05-07-2002, 07:31 AM
Cehck out http://www.siulam.info/wongpic.htm;)

Nevermind
05-07-2002, 07:52 AM
PM, that link comes up "not found". It may just be my server. I dunno.

David Jamieson
05-07-2002, 07:53 AM
To all -

I didn't intend any offense to anyone and certainly none has been taken by me here.

I did go off topic from the original post content.
Clearly, many are passionate about Hung Kuen.

peace

dezhen2001
05-07-2002, 08:13 AM
there was a typo on the other link... :p it should be:
http://www.siulam.info/wongpic.htm

david

diego
05-11-2002, 02:09 AM
Thats stupid, it makes me think lt paid wfh wife to say that picture was wong, wouldnt the mother know it is her son?.

The Great Sage of HU
05-11-2002, 06:16 AM
Lt waited with publishing the picture untill she was dead.
Why do you think?

According to Lee Chan Wor (student of Mok Kwei Laan and also her grandson-in-law (or something)), she clearly stated it was the son (of WFH - not her own son, she was the wive from a later marriage) when handing over the photo.

jun_erh
05-11-2002, 02:37 PM
Kung lek, this reminds me. a while ago you gave an explanation of the Shaolin five animals that I found very odd. That The Tiger was the more external and the animals gradually became less so, ending with the dragon. I've never heard this explanation anywhere before and don't understand it. How is any animal more or less external than any other? Never got a respons there

David Jamieson
05-11-2002, 04:28 PM
Jun-erh

I tried sending you a private message regarding your query. So as to keep this topic about this topic.
But your profile is thin and you aren't allowing for messages or e-mails.

So, send me an e-mail and I'll be happy to reply with an answer to the best of my ability. Or maybe you could start a new thread about this subject and see the responses you will get about the progressive building in five animals style.

peace

guohuen
05-11-2002, 08:40 PM
Kung Lek, never read your definition of the five animals. Could you repeat it? Sounds spot on to me.
Jun-erh. Do you practice the five animals?

David Jamieson
05-11-2002, 08:55 PM
guohen,

I defer to my sifu for information regarding what I know of Sil Lum Five animals Kung Fu.

The article is located here http://www.mts.net/~sillum/art2.htm

peace

diego
05-11-2002, 11:44 PM
Have you seen the long shaolin 5animal set in DocFaiWongs Book?, is this the standard set, or have you seen others?.

2- The Kenpo that hit the us in the 60s is from Emperado & Parker Lineage, wich stems from William Chow & James Mitose, from Hawaii!, i think off the head kenpo came from okinawa now my question Do you know if kenpo came from Shaolin 5animals, cuz most southern styles house shaolin 5animal and elder legends!?.

David Jamieson
05-12-2002, 12:46 AM
I have seen the book with Doc Fai Wong. It is a continuous set that covers all the animals in it much like Hung Gars' Five animal set. I believe he is a Choy li fut guy though, don't really know much about him. There are other forms of five animal Kung Fu based around the animals as mentioned. There are Silat styles, KunTao, Phillipine and Vietnamese styles of 5 animal fighting and health systems alongside the Chinese Shaolin styles, family styles and likely a style of Karate or Two that uses the template.

-Kempo
The Chinese have been in the americas for much longer than the sixties. :D

It took that long for the average americans to actually start even thinking about the value of cultures from elsewhere. In the meantime, Ed Parker bumped hip and spread the word. Chinese martial arts have been in North, South, Central america, the carribean and Hawaii for more than 100 years, probably more than 150 years. These were the places where the Chinese immigrated to only to be fooled and wind up as indentured servants to the wealthy people and governments (read Portugese, British, Spanish, American, Dutch) who ran out of labour with the abolishment of slavery in Europe in the early part of the 1800's. The only way they could keep up with the demands of the plantations and the guano mines was to make empty promises to the Chinese, Phillipinos and Asian Indians and have them carted over to do the work. There were large populations of Chinese who were called "coolies" (Coolie is said to derive from either the Hindi word "kuli" meaning "burdened labor" or from the Chinese "Ku Li" meaning "bitter labour"). They were actually hardworking folks of the working class, many of whom had studied/practiced their cultural tradition of martial arts. Anyway, Kung Fu didn't come here (western hemisphere) with Bruce Lee :D

To the best of my knowledge, the Kempo that my sifu learned from his sifu was from Chinese who moved through indonesia, malaysia and singapore. To the best of my knowledge it is not connected to the american kempo karate of mitose and parker.

I myself was only taught elements from Kempo and instead the majority of what I was taught was Sil Lum (Shaolin) from Northern and Southern schools.

I really couldn't tell you anything about ed parker kempo karate other than what you could find in any bookstore or on the internet.

peace

guohuen
05-13-2002, 09:31 AM
Thanks Kung Lek. Wes *******, Sifu did a nice job.

guohuen
05-13-2002, 09:34 AM
(scratch, scratch), C.a.m.e.r.o.n. is a bad word? Someone needs to listen to more old George Carlin.

Rob Wolf
05-22-2003, 07:15 PM
Hello,
You can find the true Photo of Great Grandmaster Wong Fei Hung at the Wong Fei Hung Museum in Futsan, China. The father and Mother of Chiu chi ling are renowned as top students of Lam sai wing ,who in turn was a top student of Wong Fei Hung.

Grandmaster Chiu chi ling lead his international branches to visit this year "2003" .The real roots of Wong Fei Hungs Hung gar style are there in Canton and G.M. Chiu has the highest skill and knowledge to share with everyone. You can see the photo of Wong Fei Hung in the Website of Grandmaster Chiu.

Contact Chiu chi ling international Hung Gar Kung Fu Association to participate in 2004.

http://home.earthlink.net/~chiuchiling
email:chiuchiling@earthlink.net

CLFNole
05-22-2003, 08:21 PM
I have heard that the picture that you are referring to is actually a picture of Wong Fei Hung's son and not Wong Fei Hung himself. Considering the time that he lived it would be unlikely to have a picture of that quality.

Peace.

Rob Wolf
05-22-2003, 10:31 PM
Hey,
Where did you hear this?? Perhaps another forum I suppose, I have been told that it is passed down to Chiu Chi ling from Wong Fei Hungs Wife Mok gwai lan, I have heard this face to face many times, I documented interviews and even Video footage (4 Hours ) of me doing one on one interviews.This is my understanding.
Regards, Rob
www.sillumwingchun.com

SETANSI
05-23-2003, 12:49 PM
I've heard that there was one surviving picture of Fei Hung; after his death Aunt 13 (played by Rosamund Kwan in the movies) took possesion. and that it has not been seen since

JAZA
05-23-2003, 03:13 PM
Read this: http://www.siulam.info/wongpic.htm

CLFNole
05-23-2003, 03:24 PM
If you look at a lot of Leung Ting's books you can see that they are meant to sell to stupid gwai lo's who don't know any better.

As long as it has a chinese guy on it non-asians will buy it.

Peace.

Rob Wolf
05-23-2003, 11:06 PM
What does Lueng ting have to do with this? Yes, I know he has a copy of the WFH photo in his book, Maybe this is another of the same photo before Mok gwai lan signed and gave it to GM Chiu Chi Ling.......fill me in ok..........
Sifu Lopez
www.sillumwingchun.com

Ego_Extrodinaire
05-25-2003, 06:57 AM
I've seen some of Lung ting's books. they are terrible. the problem with many of these so called sifus is that they lack quality control in the material. but perhaps that's the best they can do.

Subitai
05-26-2003, 05:40 PM
So you wanna get a copy of WFH's Pic eh? That may not be so easy...

http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=F58CAA2E-7313-483D-8621-D34B1F3BB6CB

Aahahahahahhahahah

"O"

Rob Wolf
05-28-2003, 02:34 PM
yer daft hahahaha

Jan Seung
06-17-2003, 11:33 AM
"Fill me in .."

Well, why don't we try to be critical first?

Why does the photo have the same black border as in the book?
I'm sure the original picture didn't have it.

Lee Chan Wor was there when Mok Gwai Lam gave the picture to Leung Ting. She is supposed to have said it was the son. So no confusement possible.

If it was WFH, why wasn't it published before?
If she gave the picture away, I'm sure it wasn't that special.
And so there wouldn't have been a problem to publish the "picture of WFH".
But it wasn't published; most probably because it wasn't WFH.

If Chiu Chi Ling or Leung Ting had a picture of Wong Fei Hung why did they wait so long? Do you really think they would keep such a treasure private and suddenly reveal it???

Mok Gwai Lam passed away for along time already, so what kept them???

Lastly when is the photo supposed to be taken?
The person in the photo isn't that old. So if it was WFH the photo should have been very old.
The photo could never have maintained that good quality (compared to other pics of that time.)

The writing.
I heard Mok Gwai Lam couldn't write at all.
So how could she write Wong Fei Hung on the picture then?
Next to that, if she could write, why didn't she write "For Chiu Chi Ling, from Mok Gwai Lam" then?

Have you ever seen the characters of Wong Fei Hung in Chiu Chi Ling's handwriting? Rings a bell, doesn't it?

So ... "Fill me in .."

how about, someone just copying the picture from the book and adding the name of Wong Fei Hung himself.


Looking forward to your exploring and critical response!!

Rob Wolf
06-20-2003, 04:05 PM
Here we go with inspector gadget and company again.

Jan Seung
06-30-2003, 06:35 AM
What's inspector gadget?

Shaolinlueb
06-30-2003, 06:53 PM
I searched for WFH pictures and from what I have read from many sites there are no actual surviving pictures of him.

South Paw
07-01-2003, 10:22 AM
Great research !!!
And all found on the World Wide Web. Amazing !!!

South Paw
07-01-2003, 10:25 AM
Fill me in....

Read my reply in the topic "Chiu Kau's Hung Gar".

Jan Seung
07-02-2003, 01:39 AM
Ok, no need to go further on this subject.

Shaolinlueb
07-02-2003, 05:35 AM
wait I found a pic of WFH!!!!!



WFH
(http://www.dvdspecials.nl/recensies/speelfilms/img2/once_upon_a_time_in_china-2.jpg)





:o :p :rolleyes: ;) :D

South Paw
07-02-2003, 07:16 AM
To Shaolinlueb,

AWESOME
Seems that you can really find something on the web.

Shaolinlueb
07-02-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by South Paw
To Shaolinlueb,

AWESOME
Seems that you can really find something on the web.

haha I hope you were being sarcastic cause i was. :D:o

South Paw
07-02-2003, 01:19 PM
No, you're kidding. :D

Jan Seung
07-04-2003, 12:57 AM
Great.
Why wasn't this picure revealed before?

Shaolinlueb
07-04-2003, 09:09 PM
hmmm i dont know. i guess it was lost before 1991.

SiJiHao
07-05-2003, 06:26 PM
What year did Mok Kweei Lan pass away?

How a bout Chu gau?

South Paw
07-05-2003, 09:58 PM
GM Mok Gwai Lam 1978 ?

GM Chiu Kau 1995, and his wife GM Shiu Ying 2002.

SiJiHao
07-05-2003, 10:43 PM
Sorry, Thank you!

Jan Seung
07-09-2003, 11:50 PM
When Wong Fei Hong pass away?
I see many dates.

Shaolinlueb
07-10-2003, 06:57 AM
if i remember correctly it was 1924 or 1928. it was in the 1920's i know for sure.

SiJiHao
07-10-2003, 10:18 PM
I wonder where is the grave of Wong fay hung so students can show a respect?
is it the museum?
thanks you

Jan Seung
07-12-2003, 12:17 AM
That would be a great place to give westerners a bai si.
They are so easy to be ripped off and fooled about what tradition is.

X sagasa
07-13-2003, 12:28 AM
Mok Kwei Lan was featured in 'Real Kung Fu' Vol 1 Number 12 (1976). Among talking of her martial arts background and Wong Fei Hung, there are numerous pics of her. Yet none of her late husband.

In the article it is written:"According to Madame Mok, Wong Fei Hung had rather queer features. He looked like the legendary God of Longevity, with large and long ears and long eye-brows which resembled those of the Buddhist "Lohans". He was of very sturdy build."

If Madame Mok was in possession of photographs of her late husband Wong Fei Hung wouldn't she have allowed the magazine to use it to accompany her story? ;)

SiJiHao
07-29-2003, 05:53 PM
Good idea to wait until she pass before ever presenting such claim!!

South Paw
07-31-2003, 09:50 AM
Here is another authentic Wong Fei Hung picture. I got hold of it during one of my travels in China's deep south. Somewhere in Nanhai district where WFH roamed around.
I will use it as avatar, so everybody can enjoy it :D

And remember, you cannot find this picture on the WWW yet. !!!
Those brothers that want to see the whole picture can drop me a line and I will send a scan.

TenTigers
07-31-2003, 10:16 AM
South Paw-please send me one!!! You can e-mail me at TenTigers.com , or WongFeHung@aol.com thanx in advance!-Rik

TenTigers
07-31-2003, 08:42 PM
Thanx, southpaw!
It looks like a colaboration! It is definately two different hands that drew head and body, and I KNOW I've seen that body before. I'll have tto check my library, but I know I've seen it. Anyway, it's still a nice pic, and I will frame it and display it in the lobby. We don't have much and we have to use what we have, just so long as nobody puts his head on Elvis in Hawaii. Dang, could ya imagine a WongFei-Hung paining on velvet?! Iwould hang it right next to my five animals playing poker tapestry, and my Fong Wing Chun lying on the Tiger poster.

PM
07-31-2003, 11:24 PM
dear Southpaw, please send me the scan to to my address (info@hungga.org) - thank you!

South Paw
08-01-2003, 12:37 AM
TenTigers,

Glad you appreciate it. Placing it in the lobby shows your respect to our ancestors.

Good luck in DC with your team!

Regards

bean curd
08-01-2003, 03:03 AM
south paw,

i am confused, are you saying that photo is new to people ??? i have seen it many times - the full drawing, with writtings etc ( as it is hand drawn and not a photograph ).

wonder why it is not on the www, especially this one - it been around for years ????

South Paw
08-01-2003, 03:22 AM
bean curd,

To inform you. There are no writings (chinese characters) at all on this picture.
So how can you say you know this particular picture?
Just curious.

Give me your mailaddress and I sent you a perfect scan.

Regards

illusionfist
08-01-2003, 03:25 PM
I think Bean Curd meant that he's seen both the picture by itself and also with writings attached to it as well.

Peace :D

South Paw
08-01-2003, 03:47 PM
Illusionfist,

Yes, I know what you mean. The picture given to CCL by MKL and also in possession by LT of WT-Worldwide Fame.

This one is totally different. WFH from head to toe, in a relaxed pose.

Peace to you brother

illusionfist
08-01-2003, 04:00 PM
If you dont mind, i'd like to see the photo too. Email it to illusion@elp.rr.com

Peace:D

Brad
08-01-2003, 05:55 PM
Me too!!! bradbauman@att.net

:)

illusionfist
08-01-2003, 06:37 PM
In my opinion, it looks like they took the surrounding features from WFH's son's pic and just used some creative license for the face. Of course this is all just speculation on my part.

I will admit that from what was told to me of the features of WFH, this is pretty close to what i was told by my gung fu family.

He definitely aint no Jet Li!! Hahahahhahah;)

Thank you Klaas for sending the pic. It's much appreciated.

Peace:D

bean curd
08-01-2003, 09:19 PM
south paw,

thank you for the offer, but i am lucky someone sent me the photo that you had sent to them. so it is yours and i say this so others will not think i am trying to take away the gift you are overing out.

much to my surprise it is like in appearance but nothing like the original that i saw. first off, this is coloured?? and as i have stated there is no writting to the left and right side of the drawing, also the background is different in someways, things missing, but then again this maybe due to the left and right sides not being there, been many years since i saw it.

from this i can only say, it is a copy and doctored ( if that is the correct word ?? ). not suggesting in the slightest it is not good, but it is not the one i know and have seen, yet again very very close.

when i saw the avater of yours i did not notice the changes till i was sent this one, lucky i was sitting down hahaha

how can i say i know this picture ?? i am sure my above comments have clarified and we all experiance things at different times - no ???

peace

South Paw
08-01-2003, 11:24 PM
Illusionfist,

You are right. Wong Fei Hung definitely is no Jet Li? To put it right: In this pic he is even more handsome then Jet Li.
But maybe this question should better be answered by our counterparts.

Speculation? Maybe this was drawn after a complete picture of HIM, sitting on the veranda of the BCL, or in his favourite teahouse? Who knows?


beancurd,

Thanks for your sincerity, and your contribution.

The colour of this picture is bluetone in original.

Regards

Fen
08-03-2003, 11:02 AM
Sorry to bother you but my I get a copy of the Pic too?
tao_of_wushu@yahoo.com

Thanks ~Jason

Shaolinlueb
08-03-2003, 07:32 PM
SouthPaw, can you send me that picture too?
crakhoe666@aol.com


Ten Tigers, how did you do down in DC? I was at the same tournament.

Lin Chong
08-06-2003, 02:25 AM
Wouldnt it be better to put the picture somewher up on the internet. This way anyone who wants it can download it.
If not can somebody send me a copy too. I wasnt aware there was a pic of WFH. Thanks

wusong@tokyo.com

SiJiHao
08-09-2003, 10:29 AM
Please to send me also. Thanks you much appreciate, so many this idea, not so good as you are!

South Paw
08-11-2003, 04:06 AM
...so many this idea, not so good as you are!

SijJiHao,

Totally agree :D


Lin Chong,

Will put it on this forum. Don't know how I can do that, but someone will help me.

South Paw
08-11-2003, 04:08 AM
Here we go !!!
Thanks to saolim.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/info-kungfu-supply/WFHoriginal.jpg

Enjoy,
Klaas Padberg Evenboer

South Paw
08-12-2003, 02:46 AM
Members that are interested just mail me.

Rob Wolf
08-19-2003, 10:18 PM
Believe it or not , I actually released a copy of this painting of Wong fei hung seated in my article on the opening of the Wong fei hung museum back in march 2001.
Grandmaster Chiu gave me many photos from his trip to China for the grand opening.

Thank you southpaw for the great close up pic of the great master Wong! This is the best copy I have seen yet.

Wong fei hung lives on!!!

South Paw
09-24-2003, 02:48 PM
http://www.hungkuenmuseum.info/eng/WFH_museum.htm

We have updated our site of the "Hungkuen Museum" with paintings, pictures and drawings of Wong Fei Hung. Plus additional text.

Photo's were taken by Dirk Crokaert, Luigi Martone and myself.

Enjoy,

mono68
10-08-2003, 12:10 AM
SP:
Cool website and info thanks for that jesture.

Rob Wolf
10-08-2003, 10:06 PM
Brother,

Very impressive additions to the site. Once again you have outdone yourself!

All the best,
Rob

Shaolinlueb
10-15-2003, 09:32 AM
nice additions man.

jon
10-17-2004, 12:08 AM
This is a question for someone with knowledge of the Chinese language.

Im trying to get an accurate translation of the name Wong Fei Hung but cant figure out if its meant to be Hung or Hong as there compleately different meanings.

I know 'wong' is yellow and a commen surname.
I know that 'Fei' means fly or flying.
'Hong' usualy means red and 'Hung' can mean to stand up tall and proudly.

So im confused what the litteral translation is...

Yellow flying red would actualy make 'some' sence from a cultural and context point of view.

The Wong Fei Hung though i cant really seem to acurately translate and have it still make sence.

To make it even more confusing ive been told that Fei Hung translated to flying goose.

Can anyone out there give me an accurate english translation of the name and if at all possible maybe give me some kind of an idea about what exactly the name means.

PS i do also realise that Wong is a commen surname as is usualy associated with roylty and wealth so its probarly not going to be a part of the reason for the name 'fei hung'. However its also reasonably commen to pick given names which co relate to the surname, or so im lead to believe.

Ka
10-17-2004, 01:24 AM
Can you post the characters?Best way to get a literal translation if you don't have the correct pinyin.

WanderingMonk
10-17-2004, 09:52 AM
Here's the chinese characters for WFH.

Laviathan
10-17-2004, 10:00 AM
Wong (Huang) = Yellow

Fei = Flying

Hung (Hong) = Swan Goose

WanderingMonk
10-17-2004, 06:34 PM
Hey Lav,

You were the guy who went to china right ? how was shaobei quan training?

Laviathan
10-18-2004, 03:17 AM
Hi,

In the beginning, I checked out a lot of teachers and styles. After a while, I chose Praying Mantis because I felt it suits me better and concentrated on that style.

Shaobeiquan is an awesome style, it is like Long Fist combined with Wing Chun, plus a very fast and agressive fighting approach. But I like Mantis more, because it's more subtle.

Shaobeiquan is quite rare, even in China. It is widely practiced in the North Eastern provinces. But in the rest of China it is almost unknown.

In South Africa there's a Shaobei School run by Master Wang.

Greetings,

Lav

Eddie
10-18-2004, 07:41 AM
Lav,
Master Wong Doesnt teach Shaobei chaun (not at first). He starts off with Baji and some Northern Shaolin basics, and then you learn Mantis from Chris (his son). Been asking him about Shao bei chaun, but Chris seems to be very much stuck on Mantis and Sword.

I learned Shao Ding Gan, which is a Northern Shaolin form, and a great form for fighting. More kicking drills than in Choy Lay Fut.

Eddie
Ps- some monks from the shaolin wheel of life is down here in Johannesburg. I might be getting meet them at a private session in this week.

Laviathan
10-18-2004, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Eddie
Master Wong Doesnt teach Shaobei chaun (not at first).
Been asking him about Shao bei chaun, but Chris seems to be very much stuck on Mantis and Sword.
I learned Shao Ding Gan, which is a Northern Shaolin form, and a great form for fighting. More kicking drills than in Choy Lay Fut.

I think with "Shao Ding Gan" you mean Diangangquan (Pointing Hardness Fist)? If I remember correctly, Diangang is a Shaobeiquan Form. Of course, Shaobei literally means Shaolin North Style, so it's the same thing as Northern Shaolin, right?

Anyway, it's funny you mention Choy Lay Fut. When Chris performed his Shaobei forms in Beijing, it really gave me the impression that it is Choy Lay Fut with high stances and lots of kicks. The long arm movements reminded me of Choy Lay Fut punching, while the short hand methods resembled Wing Chun. Together with the aggressive kicks and footwork, it makes a great combination. But of course, my knowledge on Shaobei is very limited. Hope you can enlighten me.


He starts off with Baji and some Northern Shaolin basics, and then you learn Mantis from Chris (his son).

In my opinion, Baji and Mantis contradict each other. They are both great styles, but they cannot be trained together at the same time. So if you're planning to concentrate on Mantis, I would suggest you to stop Baji training for a while. Just my 2 cents though... You might want to discuss this with Chris.


Ps- some monks from the shaolin wheel of life is down here in Johannesburg. I might be getting meet them at a private session in this week.

Enjoy your time and pass my greetings to Chris!

Eddie
10-19-2004, 01:53 AM
Lav,

Originally posted by Laviathan
I think with "Shao Ding Gan" you mean Diangangquan (Pointing Hardness Fist)? If I remember correctly, Diangang is a Shaobeiquan Form. Of course, Shaobei literally means Shaolin North Style, so it's the same thing as Northern Shaolin, right?


Shao Ding Gan is the Shaolin form ( I know its even part of the shongshan shaolin curriculum), but of course it has master Wong’s flavour to it. I used to think it was different to the shaobei style, but now Im not sure. Master Wong is famous down here for his diangangquan form, which he performs at most functions and events. It is different to the shao ding gan which I know, but I will ask Chris this week when I see him.


Anyway, it's funny you mention Choy Lay Fut. When Chris performed his Shaobei forms in Beijing, it really gave me the impression that it is Choy Lay Fut with high stances and lots of kicks. The long arm movements reminded me of Choy Lay Fut punching, while the short hand methods resembled Wing Chun. Together with the aggressive kicks and footwork, it makes a great combination. But of course, my knowledge on Shaobei is very limited. Hope you can enlighten me.

You are right, the style Master Wong Teaches is similar to CLF. It uses allot of back fists and even sweeping punches, and one could easily mistake this for “sloppy CLF”, as the power generation and use is different to that of CLF. My Sihing at Master Wongs school started learning CLF with me, and he picks it up very quickly. His only problem at this point is that he is slightly lo loose with his foot work and his body movements, but its difficult to explain. He is also a tongbei student.


In my opinion, Baji and Mantis contradict each other. They are both great styles, but they cannot be trained together at the same time. So if you're planning to concentrate on Mantis, I would suggest you to stop Baji training for a while. Just my 2 cents though... You might want to discuss this with Chris.

I have noticed what you have said, but Its not that big an issue at this moment. Maybe at a later stage, but at this moment Im not to big into power genration etc. As I said, Im doing all this mainly to supplement my CLF. Power generation in CLF is way different to both Baji and taiji mei hua tang lang. But power is not my main stuggle at this point. Im still trying to get my body “loose” enough for the mantis. You move different in TMH Mantis than in CLF (I think you may know what I mean), and I am still trying to get to terms with that. Master Wong wants us to know baji and mantis, maybe later we will get to focus on one. I like them both, and both helped my understanding of CLF.

I like san shou, and I always try to see my kung fu in san shou and fighting. That’s what is important to me. That’s what I like about Master Wong and Chris too. They both into fighting.


Enjoy your time and pass my greetings to Chris!

Will do. He told me a lot about you after I told him we started to correspond. Chris is a very cool guy and a very good friend. Still very young, but he is a great martial artist in hiss own right. I saw him grow up before me during the last 10 years, but I respect him as a senior martial artist and a great teacher. Just never ask him anything about swords and Samurais. That’s his passion, and he can go on about that for days. He love his swords, and that’s one thing he takes extremely serious. He is a warrior, born at the wrong time :) .

Eddie

Laviathan
10-19-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Eddie
Shao Ding Gan is the Shaolin form ( I know its even part of the shongshan shaolin curriculum), but of course it has master Wong’s flavour to it. I used to think it was different to the shaobei style, but now Im not sure. Master Wong is famous down here for his diangangquan form, which he performs at most functions and events. It is different to the shao ding gan which I know, but I will ask Chris this week when I see him.

Yes, Diangangquan is a great form, and Shaobei is a fascinating style. You are really lucky to be able to learn from Master Wang.


You are right, the style Master Wong Teaches is similar to CLF. It uses allot of back fists and even sweeping punches, and one could easily mistake this for “sloppy CLF”, as the power generation and use is different to that of CLF. My Sihing at Master Wongs school started learning CLF with me, and he picks it up very quickly. His only problem at this point is that he is slightly lo loose with his foot work and his body movements, but its difficult to explain. He is also a tongbei student.

I think I understand. CLF, like Hung Gar and other schools of Southern Boxing, stresses low, firm stances. Master Wang's style places emphasis on rapid footwork. So I think that's the thing your Sihing has problems adapting to. But good CLF should also have loose body movements, so I don't see a problem there.

BTW, I think Tongbei and CLF are a very good match.


I have noticed what you have said, but Its not that big an issue at this moment. Maybe at a later stage, but at this moment Im not to big into power genration etc. As I said, Im doing all this mainly to supplement my CLF. Power generation in CLF is way different to both Baji and taiji mei hua tang lang. But power is not my main stuggle at this point. Im still trying to get my body “loose” enough for the mantis. You move different in TMH Mantis than in CLF (I think you may know what I mean), and I am still trying to get to terms with that. Master Wong wants us to know baji and mantis, maybe later we will get to focus on one. I like them both, and both helped my understanding of CLF.

I like san shou, and I always try to see my kung fu in san shou and fighting. That’s what is important to me. That’s what I like about Master Wong and Chris too. They both into fighting.

Yep, TJMH Tanglang surely has power generation different to CLF. That's why I prefer Mantis above CLF, Shaobei etc. Mantis is very subtle, while CLF and Shaobei are very "Blitzkrieg"-like... It's very powerful of course, but not really my style.

CLF training should give you a good foundation for Taiji Meihua though. Both styles place emphasis on low stances, so it's not very hard to adapt. Hand movements are more different though... I am now teaching my CLF Sidai the Baiyuan Toutao Form, and it's kind of hard for him to execute certain techniques a la Mantis instead of throwing sweeping punches with CLF power.


Will do. He told me a lot about you after I told him we started to correspond. Chris is a very cool guy and a very good friend. Still very young, but he is a great martial artist in hiss own right. I saw him grow up before me during the last 10 years, but I respect him as a senior martial artist and a great teacher. Just never ask him anything about swords and Samurais. That’s his passion, and he can go on about that for days. He love his swords, and that’s one thing he takes extremely serious. He is a warrior, born at the wrong time :)

Haha, he probably said I was very lazy when it comes to training, right? :D Now, Chris is one dedicated martial artist. He's also a great guy and a good friend. But I don't know if he's a good teacher though, in the past he was quite impatient when it comes to teaching students, but this has toned down a bit. But anyway, I wish him all the best, and I hope I can see him soon.

And yes, I totally agree with you that he lives in the wrong era... He should have been a swordsman in ancient China or Japan... :p

But we are really hijacking this thread, so for chit-chat let's stick to email contact from now on. ;)

Greetings,

Lav

The Whyzyrd
04-14-2006, 09:41 AM
On behalf of Sifu Yee,

The Wong Fei Hung Museum in Foshan, China will be hosting Wong Fei Hung's 150th Birthday Celebration in August of this year.

If anyone is interested in more information regarding this celebration - please contact Sifu Pedro Yee at:

Yee's Hung Ga International Kung Fu Association
68 Union Avenue
Clifton, New Jersey 07011

Telephone: 973.772.8988

E-mail: pcyee@yeeshungga.com


__________________________________
Sifu David Goldstein
Yee's Hung Ga International Kung Fu Association
Western Monmouth County Branch
Monmouth Road
Cream Ridge, NJ 08514
(201) 679 1646
yeeshungga@optonline.net

TenTigers
04-15-2006, 09:34 AM
hmmmm, I'm wondering..what kind of Birthday present should I buy?
He's just so hard to shop for.

Baritsumaster
04-25-2007, 08:51 AM
I'm trying to find any information on Wong Fei Hung. Do any of you know if most of the information about him is still orally passed in the schools? Also, does anyone know how to get hold of the old stories in Chinese published in the 1940's.
Another question (so many) is how one can verify if the information on the net or
Wikipedia is viable or suspect?

GeneChing
04-25-2007, 09:33 AM
That was our Hung Ga - Wong Fei Hung Collector's Issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=650).

Baritsumaster
04-25-2007, 01:19 PM
Thanks, Gene. That was an awesome issue. Lent it to my sifu...haven't got it back. I may have to buy a back issue.

GeneChing
04-25-2007, 03:25 PM
Check out Kungfu's Greatest Movie Hero: The Cinematic Journey of Wong Fei Hung (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=478) by Gene Ching and Personal Perspective of the Wong Fei Hung Museum (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=655) by Tim Louie too. :cool:

Baritsumaster
04-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Your article is very informative, Gene. Thank you.

Baritsumaster
02-12-2008, 10:48 AM
Gene,
I've been collecting all online articles I can find on Wong Fei Hung, breaking them apart and comparing them fact by fact. Your article was the most informative and interesting, and contained the most facts. May I ask what sources you were able to access? I was most impressed.
I'm working on a series of short stories featuring WFH for a national mystery magazine, and have already made an in depth study of Canton in the 19th century. If I get 'stumped' by a question, I hope I can ask you to kick it around.

sanjuro_ronin
02-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Does anyone actually know what the "no shadow" kick was?
It wasn't obiously what we saw Jet Li do.
I have heard various opinions the two most plasuable ones were:
It was a low line front kick off a hand "feint".
It was a in close front/triangle kick under the opponents field of vision.

banditshaw
02-12-2008, 11:36 AM
Does anyone actually know what the "no shadow" kick was?.......

..........It was a low line front kick off a hand "feint".
It was a in close front/triangle kick under the opponents field of vision.

Yeah those are the two common ones I have heard of as well. Maybe some more experienced Hung Ga peeps can chime in on this one.

Golden Arms
02-12-2008, 11:51 AM
I can't speak for all schools, but it can be viewed as a concept:

Misdirection, or one movement hiding another. It can physically be a snap kick to the groin, but could also be several other low line leg disruptions/kicks. I don't know that there is one agreed upon opinion on this however.

Laukarbo
02-12-2008, 07:15 PM
I also would say its a concept and not a certain kick.. the hand distract the eyes so you wont see the kick coming...

Asmo
02-13-2008, 12:15 AM
What I currently understand is that yes, theres a single kick in Fu Hok that has a feint/setup hand movement with a kick which is done while being hidden from view. But often there are techniques outside the forms. The single technique in the form is to show the way it is done, outside the form there can be many ways of performing the technique.

PS: I might have a completely different opinion in a year when I progressed more >:)

Baritsumaster
02-13-2008, 08:47 AM
It appears that is all the info on Wong Fei Hung available. The rumor that some information about him may be hidden within certain Hung Gar circles is probably
unreliable. For now I'll continue my research, but if anyone reading this hears
information in the schools or in print, pray let me know.
As to the No Shadow kick, I heard somewhere that it was a sidekick to the knee
from the backleg, passing behind the standing one, but I cannot verify.
This is a great forum, by the way.

ngokfei
02-13-2008, 08:53 AM
All that exists is a general history of WFH. There are alot of folk tales and various novels that have created his myth.

Possibly the only verifiable sources would have been his direct students, which are all dead.

there cannot even be a consensus on what he taught or knew, how can we expect his biography to be accurate.

Your closest links to his past would be through some of his grand students and possibly the WFH's grandchildren who still live in HK today.


If you really try to check sources you'll only find that the author of a paticular article got their information either from another article or by hearsay.

good luck in your search

Baritsumaster
02-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Thank you, Erik. I'll just forge ahead and pray that I'm creating a WFH that is as accurate as possible.

Stanley
02-23-2010, 11:04 AM
Anybody know of a biography about Wong Fei Hung? I'm not looking for a How-to book, more of a history of the man and his life.

Thanks

David Jamieson
02-23-2010, 11:38 AM
Anybody know of a biography about Wong Fei Hung? I'm not looking for a How-to book, more of a history of the man and his life.

Thanks

There are countless legends.
There are hundreds of movies.
There is a mention in every book ever written about Hung Gar.

Funny you should mention it, I've never heard of a deliberately biographical piece on just him though.

In fact, many are still troubled about who he was and some will argue about a photo that is extant which portrays his 10th son but many are convinced it is him because someone said this son looked most like him. Probably a lost in translation thing due to the huge amount of mutually unintelligible dialects up the coast of China. :)

There is a statue in existence and a memorial to him in or near his home town. I'm sure there are Hung Gar guys here who know a piece or two about the man.

kfman5F
02-23-2010, 02:15 PM
You can see her doing the Tiger/Crane and chain whip on YouTube. It's grainy but great to watch.:)

TenTigers
02-23-2010, 05:29 PM
You can see her doing the Tiger/Crane and chain whip on YouTube. It's grainy but great to watch.:)
yes, that is Mok Gwai-Lan, Wong Fei-Hung's fourth wife.
I idolize him just for that. He is like the Woody Allen of Kung-Fu.

SteveLau
02-23-2010, 08:38 PM
Stanley, yep there are books written of the master Wong Fei Hung but not many. Fortunately, I had the opportunity to come across two such good books a year ago. One was published in 2005, and the other in 2007. The first one is based on previous documents of the master on his background and events. The author then comments on the truthfulness of the event at the end of each chapter. The second book is written by a student of Mok Gwai-Lan, Wong Fei Hung's fourth wife. It has more coverage on the martial art techniques of the master, and the tales of the master's wife. Both books share a lot in stories as they are based on more or less the same materials. I consider them both as good readings. It will be nice if there is printing in English later on.



Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

PM
02-23-2010, 09:40 PM
most reliable is one of the biographies of Wong Feihung written by Jyu Yujai, a disciple of Lam Saiwing, which was published in 1930's. most of the book written later are just made up stories.

KC, i have the one written by a student of Mok Gwailan. which one is the second one, please, do you have a Chinese title, author, photo of cover or something? thank you!

Stanley
02-24-2010, 10:47 AM
Thank You all for the responses, seems like I'm out of luck unless I learn Chinese. What about General Guan, any books in english about him?

SteveLau
02-25-2010, 10:28 PM
PM,

The second book's title is 俠醫黃飛鴻 : 南少林洪拳的一代武學大師 , and its author is
鄧富泉. He is a student of Mok Gwai Lan. I like the style of the book because it takes a third person objective look of the life of the Master, and with politeness too. For example, the content lists the life of Wong Fei Hung from the beginning as a MA student, instructor, physician, army official, and retiree till the end. The materials of which the two books based upon were written before 1950s. Logic suggests that the stories are mostly true also.



Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

PM
02-26-2010, 04:31 AM
KC, thnx, i meant the other one, please, this one i know

please let me know

your help is appreciated, thank you!

PM
02-26-2010, 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1u7Fn0ahM

SteveLau
02-26-2010, 07:07 PM
PM,

The first one's title is 武林奇俠黃飛鴻正傳, written by 韓春萌. The book is published in mainland China, 2005. Both can be found in the local public library.



Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

Asmo
02-26-2010, 11:59 PM
With so many Hung Kuen practitioners over the world you would be surprised why such books are not also released in English...

PM
02-27-2010, 01:58 AM
well, couple of Hung Kyun related books/posters will be released soon at hungkyun.com, anyway i am still not sure how many people will buy them.

Asmo
02-27-2010, 03:31 AM
I will :) (well, posters I don't know, but books, yeah)

shuen
03-20-2010, 01:55 PM
i would by it too :) even the poster :)