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06-22-2000, 04:59 AM
Here I open this new topic and let us talk about Shaolin Kung Fu you learnt, for exchange information and knowledge only...
later when I have more free time I will put some photos and kung fu theroies here to thanks all who supporting Shaolin kung fu and we secular disciples of Shaolin Temple.

soon I will translate the five animal form of my master's teaching into English and post it little by little here first...

Best wishes!

Shaolin Secular Disciple's Union,
Shaolin Temple, Mt.Song, Henan 452491, P.R.China
Tel: +86(371)2749172
Fax: +1(212)98143
ICQ#: 17145752
Email: heming@shaolintemple.zzn.com

06-22-2000, 07:00 AM
Hello Hemming,

I study chang chuan and tong long chuan. What is your favorite style of kung fu?

06-22-2000, 07:29 AM
I learned Xiao Hong Chuan(Little Red Fist)
also DaMo Yi Jin Jing


06-22-2000, 08:23 PM
My favourite would have to be zui chuan or drunken but I havent learnt it /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Hopefully i will though

bamboo_ leaf
06-23-2000, 08:35 AM
plum flower mantis / 7-star mantis, also yang style Tai-Chi.

Lived and worked in South East asia for awhile. waiting to return.

Don't mind some of the post here, I find them strange, It's funny in Thailand a place that I lived and worked for awhile, they really respect CMA. Althou CMA people don't compet in the Thai rings. Many pratice in the parks around Bangkok.

enjoy life

bamboo leaf

06-23-2000, 04:56 PM
I would like to post the essentials I learned on my own from the solo practice and combat usage of Kuo Yuo Cheong's Northern Shaolin:

The Basic Arm Motions:
1. Breast stroke
2. Butterfly stroke
3. Doggie Paddle

The Basic Hand Postures
1. Open palm
2. Closed palm (fist)
3. Transitional palm (open to closed)

The Basic Foot Motions:
1. Pivoting (heel or toe)
2. Forward/Back Stepping (heel or toe)
3. Side Stepping (heel or toe)

The Basic Steps:
1. Walking
2. Hopping
3. Skipping
4. Spinning

The Basic Weapons
1. Hard weapons (short and long)
2. Flexible weapons (short and long)

Usage of the Basic Weapons
1. Jab with point
2. Parry/attack with shaft
3. Wrap up (flexible weapons)

The Basic Goals of Combat:
1. Overpower
2. Evade

06-23-2000, 09:40 PM
Bamboo Leaf...
I am planning on moving to Thailand and stay there for some time. I was always so concerned about whether or not there are any CMA over there. Your post has given me so new hope. What styles are taught or practiced over there?
EH, I have a lot of questions...
maybe it would be better if you e-mailed me.
Thanks a lot.

bamboo_ leaf
06-24-2000, 12:32 PM
Most of the CMA that I saw are in Bangkok, they play in a park called Lumpinee park, please excuse the spelling. Any way they play in the mournings as it gets hot around noon.

style wise lots of differnt interneale arts some long fist and some hung styles are taught there are probbly more, Bangkok has a china town that might be a good place to look, I played in the park. There is even a Thai kung fu Federation. Nice place, people are very frindly. Many of the teachers are from PRC, so they may be able to speak Thai but not much english. As I said they train in the morunings Sat or Sunday is the best time to catch them. Also if your cup is full, you may find your self ignored.

I'll send you an e-mail later. Very nice place to live, kinda hot though.

enjoy life

bamboo leaf

Shaolin Master
10-03-2000, 01:16 PM
Here Have Fun /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fujian Shaolin : Yi Jr Mei Quan, Yuen Zhong Quan, Xi Nu Lohan Quan, Hou Xing Lohan Quan, Wu Xing Quan, Shi Xing Quan, Yong Chwun Bai He Quan, Fei Lien De Lohan Quan....etc
Songshan Shaolin : Xiao Hong Quan, Da Hong Quan,Pou Quan, Chang Quan (Liang Yi Chuan's), Chang Hu Xin Yi Men Quan, Tong Bi Quan, Lohan Quan, Wu Zi QUan......etc
Traditional MAs : Hung Jia Quan, Li Jia Quan, Mo Jia Quan, Chu jia Quan, Liu Jia Quan, Wu Xing Quan, Wu Zhu Quan, Bai Mei Quan, Long Xing Quan, Fo Jia Quan, Tsai li For Quan, Liu He Men Quan , Zha Quan, Long Xing Quan, Chi Xing Tanglang Quan, Liuhe tanglang quan, Bai Hu Quan, Xia Jia Quan, Yue Jia Quan, Hua Quan, Hua (Flower) Quan, BaJiQuan, Pikuazhang, TongbeiQuan, Mizhongquan.......etc
Internal MAs : Yin Fu's Bagua Zhang, Tian's Yin Yang Baguazhang, Wudang Taiqiquan, Chen Shi Taijiquan, Xing Yi Quan, ..........etc

Shi Chan Long

Yi jie sui yuen 'All follows Destiny'

Kung Lek
10-03-2000, 04:07 PM
Hi Hemming, how are things at the Temple?

I study and Practice, Bak Sil Lum (Ku Yu Cheong lineage), Sil Lum Black Tiger (Toisan District), and Four Lower Tigers Red Clan (Ha Say Fu Hong Pai) a.k.a Original Five animals, also Toisan district.

Southern "tastes" different than Northern in form and application.

hi to all the people at Shaolin Temple!

Kung Lek

Shaolin Master
10-04-2000, 02:52 AM
Anyway so what you really want to talk about Heming. Also, your teachers 5 animals is it the 5 animals 8 methods which is related to the Da Jing Gang system and was established separate to the songshan shaolin temple, is it the 5 animals fist of shaolin which is an internal (Qigong) system. Please explain for us to understand.

Kung Lek :
Is there a lot of skill training in your Hay Say Fu, For example in tiger style the training of the wrist forearm and grappling for crushing. In Snake Chi development and Special Types of Jing Fa. In Crane Lightness Skill etc... Rather than movements is the application unique not in techniques but in skill. This is true Wu Xing Quan. Hay Say Fu is related to what we know as Fujian Shaolin Wu Xing Quan, This style contains a cross set, Small 5 animals set, Individual Animal sets (Very similar to Hay Say Fu) and a Large animals set.

Ou mi Tou Fo

Shi Chan Long

'In seeking the truth Buddha pointed to the single thought'

Happiness to all

10-04-2000, 05:29 AM
Bac Fu Do

Underaged Drunken Monkey

Kung Lek
10-04-2000, 06:59 PM

SM, i'm not 100% sure of what you mean by "skill" training.
If you are refering to the "focus and intent" of each animal set, then yes, different aspects of physicality, mentality, chi flow, issuing power and so on are dealt with in differnet ways by each Kuen.

The Tiger, Leopard and Crane sets are considered "external" inasmuch as the each develop a different aspect of the whole in the practitioner. Tiger set for Bone,Tendon, Power etc, Crane for Balance, sinew, tendon etc, Leopard for Speed, Heart etc, then Snake and Dragon are considered to be "internal" sets where there is much more emphasis on the spine, relaxedness, good chi flow, Fa Jing, etc.

Each of the Animals has its own set, With the Dragon Set being the largest of the 5 (comprised of over 600 motions!). Dragon is the pinnacle of the system as is true with much of the Kung Fu systems wherein the most complete practitioners will do dragon as an expression of Kung Fu skill and ability at its finest!

Of course, there are so many other points about this system that I haven't even scratched the surface regarding the depth of the system.

It is in my experience a most excellent system.

BTW, I have been a practitioner of Shaolin black Tiger(Toisan District) and North Shaolin (Ku yu Cheong lineage) for approximately 6 years before even starting with Ha Say Fu Hong Pai, so that is indicative of the prerequisite skills before beginning the Original Five animals style.


Kung Lek

10-05-2000, 02:51 AM
hmmm my teachers teach 12 animals. dragon being the top of the food chain.

but what i want to ask about it, what you guys do for physical training, not just practicing your forms.
i mean do you jog, lift weights, swim etc etc etc?????

just wondering what you guys do to get your endurence up.

me personally i jog, 3 miles a day. and lift wieghts for an hour or so.

lately though i've been down with a sinus infection that has cut down on my running.

10-05-2000, 03:37 AM
i study five animals shaolin kung fu,i could never find anyone who studied it,now i realize that maybe everyone uses different names for it.

could anyone tell me the various names for the five animals style and who(among you guys)study it.

Shaolin Master
10-05-2000, 03:48 AM
At the Authentic Shaolin Institute, students develop skills in a multitude of ways, jogging occassionally is a simple sporting fact and weights well they typical as well.
To explain at ASI if a student is practising Tiger system (This incorporates Hung gar's, Bai Hu Pai (White Tiger), Hay Say Fu, Fujian TIger, HeihuQuan (Black Tiger)....) it is essential to develop the stance so an hour of stance training solely daily is the basics, push ups are then used in a variety of ways, wrist weights/rings are used in practising basics, coconuts are used to develop gripping power (training til can crush coconut in fastest time), simple introductory tiger claw skill training (similar to iron palm but tiger specific) to strenthen the loins, forearm exercises, spirit meditation, and bolder training are some examples in addition to other such specific excercises not to be outlined. This is solely for tiger all the other styles develop power differently.
In Xing Yi Quan 12 animals are present yet it is the 5 elements that are most in important so the emphasis is radically different to external styles such as southern 5 animals. In Xing yi the standing and moving stance meditation is the quintessence. So training in skills should be specific to the specialisation. It would take forever to outline specifics for every style as after simple strength training technique and a multitude of other factors become involved.

Shi Chan Long

Shaolin Master
10-05-2000, 03:54 AM
If everyone details the origins : Masters Masters etc for around 3 to 4 generations of their specific 5 animals system I can assist in establishing an understanding of their origins and interconnectivities.
Shaolin 5 animals is a popular shaolin system but there are many others as well.

10-05-2000, 05:22 AM
what i do is pure shoalin... well in a way.

what is it? its sil lum pia. meaning a southern family style *either that or the family was started by a monk* that was learned in the shoalin temples and then was taught father to son father to son until recently. when the first white person was finally taught the art.

i would write more but i'm getting very sleepy... and my bed beckons me to it.

Shaolin Master
10-05-2000, 06:01 AM
sir kemera

Sounds like you are unsure of the origins of your art. Thus it could even be kempo for all anyone knows. There are endless amount of so called shaolin/Siulumpai schools but those authentic are questionable.
I hope you have slept well, do try to ascertain names of people and places from your teacher, any real school should know these things as in that way we can understand the source of your system and determine characteristics and thus skill training that is typical


Shi Chan Long

10-06-2000, 01:02 AM
ok, i got some sleep now i can clearify that sloppy post i made above.

the style is sil lum pia
the family name is chan
its if from the southern most province of china.

the schools name is green dragon of china there are 2 in the world. one here in the states and one is south china.


10-06-2000, 05:23 AM
Bac Fu Do??? Bai Hu Pai??? White tigers must be popular Down Under.

UnderagedMonkey is just a kid, believing what he's told.

ShaolinMaster may be alittle more suspect...
I am surprised that he takes the time to type out all this hooey...

10-06-2000, 03:13 PM
Usually, one builds strength only until speed and agility have been acquired. Without these, a person becomes stiff in their movements...

I myself used to weight lift two years ago. Quit though because its like I have to go out of my way to the weight training room @ my school.

Anyways, right now for muscle strength all I do is forearm conditioning, horse-stance, pushups, vertical pushups, pullups, leg lifts, sit ups.

Underaged Drunken Monkey

Shaolin Master
10-08-2000, 12:42 AM
The purpose of actually being here is to do research. Should you desire meager empty discussions then I guess Kungfuonline is a useless tool. Time for the sake of knowledge learning and development even in the smallest way is never in vain. If you dislike others efforts and cherish solely your own then do not partake in such ventures.

The ASI has researched many schools since its humble beginnings information of which shall appear in the web in the not too distant future.

Shi Chan Long

10-08-2000, 05:26 AM
...and expect everyone to just buckle at the knees sighing "Oh ShaolinMaster, you are so learned and from your extensive list of styles you must be a true Master! Please teach us!

On the contrary, your "research" on many schools is more of an offense than anything else. You seem completely self-appointed, self concerned and as far as I've seen, most of what you've posted is the work of a BS Artist who thinks everyone else is kinda DIM. I sincerely hope no children or other impressionables look to you for information!

Shaolin Master
10-08-2000, 06:18 AM
MoQ : Thank you ! [I have nothing to say to you, as your behaviour is conclusive, my respects as you do not show 'Wu De']

Anyway back to subject :
Sir Kemera I have not heard of any Green Dragon in china of the Chan family as such could you elaborate it sounds interesting. If you could explain any traits I would be honoured.

Shaolin Kung Fu Only : I wonder if Heming has been caught in the middle of the Abbott of Songshan Shaolin vacuating the area. I have written to two friends but they haven't responded for a few days now.

Shi Chan Long

little chain monkey
10-08-2000, 05:28 PM
Great Idea. I study Northern Shaolin Kung Fu in Minneapolis, MN. I am always looking to learn more.

10-09-2000, 05:09 AM
i don't see why shoalin master is being attacked?
he didn't say or do anything offensive yet. hey just shared what he knows.

on a lighter note tell me what traits your interested in knowing and i'll try to answer you to the best of my ability.

10-09-2000, 06:52 AM
moq- get off this thread goose
your not shaolin

10-09-2000, 07:28 AM
you'll like ShaolinMaster!
And you may want to check out Shaolin-Do! Did you see his list of styles? WOW, I said to myself, "Either this is a real Shaolin Master from the Land Down-Under, or this is a BS Artist! Are we left with any other choices?

Fierce Tigger- Hey, you aren't shaolin either! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Do you not understand that he's saying he has mastered your Bak Mei in it's original Fujian form, before is was ruined by mixing it Hakka material? Do you like that? Do you think he is REALLY a Shaolin Master?

Shaolin Master
10-09-2000, 09:27 AM
Thank you MoQ for your words of genuine knowledge and inspiration. May the world bless you with happiness and profound attainment of knowledge of yourself and mind. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sir Kemera, please if possible describe what you practise in terms of posture, technique, Routines/Forms, Length of Forms, Repetitiveness of movements in Forms, Fighting Strategy, Emphasis between Hands and legs, Power short long circular linear. Breathing short long relaxed tense. stepping straight, 3 Direct, Cross Fashion
Lineage more in depth (dates location good), Similarity with which styles, Weaponry, exact area of origin..etc...as a start.If require privacy on such matters please email them to me instead ...I understand always, especially given the wasteful use of this medium by some with no sense of living.

Fierce Tiger - Thank you.

Bai Mei - In Sydney alone there are two Bak Mei schools, a Long Ying school, 2 Wuchu schools, a few yau kung men schools etc. the bak mei is of the vietnamese origin. My teacher knows the eldest teacher of the Bai Mei school and we have exchanged concepts with regard to our bak fu kuen and bak mei developments. Unfortunately or should I say fortunately in Australia Martial Arts Schools are not financially or moralistically competitive as USA also we are much more open to discussion. The Long Ying School is my Si Bak from singapores auntie's husband and we have exchanged arts here many years ago. Yau Kung mun is much more like Bak mei than Long Ying anyway...no need to hustle bustle everyone trying to be the best. In Singapore the National Pugilistic association, the Army and the SouthEast Asian pugilistic associations were all headed by my grandmaster or granduncles and now uncles at anyone time. The input from so many Sth East asian schools is tremendous.

ASI has 8 Teachers involved in the Group. Not me alone, sorry MoQ I am only one. There are only around 45 students at a time as most are rejected due to attitude and moral or they cannot endure the basics hardships. Most students have spent at least 5 years learning other Kung fu prior to learning. Every student specialises in a different set of systems (complete arts) of which usually three is the maximum.

MoQ you are right Shaolin.com & Shaolin Do are quite questionable as you would have seen by my previous posting elsewhere. Though as mentioned everyone has a right top their place in the world, even yourself. So go on be superficial be arrogant you have done it everywhere else so why not here. I will not be tempered like ortiz only dissappointed at the state of Martial Artists today.

Everything is Nothing

Shi Chan Long

10-09-2000, 03:05 PM
thats enough out of you Moq,
you haven't contributed one thing to this forum i don't know if anyone is real here or not. and niether do you. That is the problem with dealling with other people over the net. They can lie, so you either exist in your ignorant bubble and criticize the people around you, or give everyone the basic respect they deserve and the benefit of the doupt.

Ashley Mills
10-09-2000, 11:34 PM
People see what they want to see
Remove the want and you see what is really there
If you have any questions about Ch'an or Zen please feel free to e-mail me and I will answer to best my knowledge.

Ashley Mills
United Kingdom

Kung Lek
10-09-2000, 11:40 PM
One thread pulled from the tapestry, cheapens the whole.

all corners contribute.
The charlatans let us know what not to study and the masters make us wait to be able to study.

Patience comes from within as with any personal growth.

To throw away that which is unexamined properly only leaves it to be discovered by someone who understands the true value of it.

We cannot disparage any style or any system that points to Shaolin as its heritage and foundations.
This is a great honour to be admired and aspired to by both genuine and fake alike!

It speaks volumes to the seeking of the path as opposed to the wanting of the path and the refusal to really look sincerely for it.


Kung Lek

10-10-2000, 09:44 AM
but I love it when people call themselves ShaolinMaster and name 40 different systems as their repertoire and offer to teach us with wisdom like "the taller the bamboo grows the lower it bows", you know, like it makes him seem humble.... I just love it.
You can always wear a smaller hat to avoid the inevitable derision...

I think its funny, but only the kids are in awe. Everyone from any of the styles that were abit insulted by being so easily mastered are sitting back going "Who is THIS fool?"...

Ashley Mills
10-10-2000, 09:51 PM
Owing to the recent amount of posts regarding real or fake I would just like to clarify something, my e-mail is Shaolin@btinternet.com
this means my btinternet user name is Shaolin, this was chosen about a year ago by myself because of my avid interest in Shaolin gungfu and philosophy. It serves not as a means for personal gain or as a falsitude used to influence others.
Some people will end up doubting every master they come across without even considering learning some kung fu of the master to see if he is genuine.

Ashley Mills

10-11-2000, 12:03 AM
do you teach in a temple at cabramatta, sydney aust.
i know the pak mei master chou fu (vietnames)style it has many differnt forms that clc dont, like the turtle form for eg. similar to mantis dip gwat gung-rib training. him and the late ykm gmaster use to hang out.

unfortunately there are lots of shaolin fakes that give shaolin a bad name. where did you study.
i may come over to australia one day for a visit and we could hook up.

moq- i dont believe he is a shaolin monk or master but a maybe a teacher of these arts.forty systems is a stake to learn. maybe he has the core forms only. a lot of people do hide under this name and make loads of monet though....

no disrespect to you shaolinmaster

Shaolin Master
10-11-2000, 01:03 AM
The Temple in Cabrammatta is not a temple but a community association - The Teo Chew Association.
The Students there learned 'Wu Chu Quan' in the past but now 'Chow Gar'. My Last Teacher Li Bin Ching still teaches around the corner in the Chinese descendants association. All are well acquainted.
I teach in Darling Harbour.
Just recently for the olympic torch we did a 14 lion - lion dance together with teo chew assoc. and Dong Tam.
Chau Phu has 3 sons and a daughter I went to same high school as has his sons many years ago. I lived around the corner from them in Fairfield Heights in my youth.
Again I find such 'proofing' to be silly though I conform out of the fact that I understand the amount of silly things that could be proclaimed over the net.
THough I have been disheartened and may not continue KFonline.
I have outlined Fujian lineage on a separate post. I Have a Wudang, Ermei & Songshan to outline via email not online.
Each student of mine practises totally different to suit their characteristics. No one masters everything even myself.
Enough to much gibberish to waste on forums with non progressive individuals.
Please anyone visit anytime. I am non commercial so you will not find me without asking.


Shi Chan Long

10-11-2000, 02:34 AM
Guys would Shaolin Kempo be considered shaolin kung fu?

10-11-2000, 02:40 AM
well i'm sorry to hear that you maybe leaving. thats most unfortunate.

Moq i love it more to hear little minded ppl run around on the net trying to sound big and important by denouncing everyone around them and claiming themselves the true intelligence of the universe.

10-11-2000, 04:03 AM
And any claims made by me were in your little imagination... If people only spoke their minds without the smirking boasts then I don't think there would be any problem. I am so sorry how easily warriors feel attacked or offended but the big floppy hat blocks my view.

10-11-2000, 04:50 AM
Sir Kemera

Just out of interest...is your school originating from Toisan proviince? Do you know the village
of origin or anything else about your lineage? Not trying to be funny but there is another Green Dragon Kung fu with clubs in America, Canada, the UK and China(Toisan province) that teaches sil lum (amongst other systems) and the family name is Chan. Where in the US are you? E-mail my privately if you want to discuss this off-list.

Cheers, R

10-11-2000, 05:34 AM
it may be bull and it may not.if it teaches you something then read it and if it doesn't and you don't like it ,then go find a post you do like,and leave it alone.
and you can lay off of SHAO LIN DO.you don't study it,you can't even spell it right and no one asked you to bash it /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
take what's useful here and ignore the rest,it's that easy /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif peace

"stop trying to hit me and HIT ME"

10-11-2000, 05:50 AM
I have 3 years experience in "shaolin-kempo"back in the eighties,E-mail me at revnwo@hotmail.com
if you want to discuss it.

"stop trying to hit me and HIT ME"

10-12-2000, 07:27 AM
nope wrong ppl, i don't belong to a fan club.

10-12-2000, 07:33 PM
He really is a Shaolin Master and knows all those styles(even though each one demands a lifetime of full attention) and everything he posts is personal experience and not from a book. The material is not totally proprietary and is accepted as pure Fujian Shaolin everywhere, even though there are no terms recognizable by any other lineage or practitioner. He is a great teacher and it really is true that the higher a bamboo grows the lower it bows, all the way down to us!

This seems to be how things are presented(quite arrogantly I might add and the sarcasm is something lower than mere false humility).

These types set themselves up so they can be snooty about any direct questions and set themselves above inquiry.

You guys gotta get a sense of humor and you kids gotta realize that MOST of the older folks out there are tryin' to BS you into believing in them. Watch out for people making claims about themselves and claiming to know things on this internet forum. You really have to take it all with a grain of salt.

Also you all have to realize that this is an International Forum. There are people here from ALL OVER THE WORLD! That means if you are going expose yourself past an extent, not to mention make grandiose claims of yourself, somebody from across the world is going to go "Whaaat? Man you are livin' in a Dream World", mainly because your reality is not thiers and any esoteric or exotic claims you make in your world may be commonplace or shown as false in another.

Embarrassingly enough, lots of newbies come on here trying to make a big impression and they don't realize that the pond is much bigger and nobody cares how big a fish they are "back home".

I would never say that someone didn't have the right to post "whatever" and I don't mind if a certain type of person just never gets what I'm saying, but there's some BS out there boy howdy and the more that fools believe it just because it's documented in HTML the worse for the future of MA and the world in general.

10-13-2000, 04:34 AM
personally i don't really give a flying f**k what ppl think of me on this forum, or anyother. *no offence*
but i don't care what ppl think of me on or off the net. you either accept me as who i am or get out of my way. because i'm not about ready to change for anyone.

and you Moq i've heard enough of you. you are the biggest hypocrite ever, becuz while you are the one denouncing everything. *which i can't blaim you for 100%* at the same time though you preach more on this forum than anyone else telling us what to believe and what not to believe i've heard about enough of you.

10-13-2000, 09:39 AM
Thx Grasshopper for the email man.

10-13-2000, 07:35 PM
...not that any of your crap deserves a response. I should stop telling you what to believe and let you make up your own mind. Now take your time and don't hurt yourself... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

10-13-2000, 08:39 PM
I'm not trying to taunt the kid or attack anyone's Shaolin Fantasies.

and I can see that my responses to presentations the likes of Shao Lin-Do(tm) and ShaolinMaster(tm) and SHAOLIN.COM really rub some folks the wrong way, but if someone posts a link, or makes a bunch of claims, or brings up a Topic for discussion, I'm going to post whatever response I have and if you can't handle the straightforwardness, don't just whine about, post your equal opinion.

Simply, in order for me to be properly termed "negative", I would have to be negating something that was widely accepted as positive. This is not the case with any of these three QUITE questionable presentations.