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Chang Style Novice
09-01-2003, 09:44 AM
I'm working later, but this makes me feel a bit better.

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old conditions
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Those at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

Stranger
09-01-2003, 10:02 AM
Is that the "Communist Internationale"?

I've never heard it in English, so I don't know the words.

David Jamieson
09-01-2003, 03:02 PM
It's a song written by Eugene Pottier (Paris 1871)

how obscure is that lol!

anyway, this song was used as the soviet national anthem until 1944 when it was changed to "stalins song" (not the elton john remix lol)

It is French in origin and related to the french workers rise in the times that it was written and adopted by the soviets because of it's obvious marxist sentiments.

so, in a nutshell, yes, it's commie :-D

cheers

CaptinPickAxe
09-01-2003, 03:06 PM
Whats everyone doing for this labor day?
I was supposed to go to some hot springs, but it fell through.:(

HAPPY LABOR DAY!!!:D

Starchaser107
09-01-2003, 03:24 PM
Happy Labour day Americans:D

Judge Pen
09-01-2003, 03:24 PM
I'm working. Go figure. :)

The Willow Sword
09-02-2003, 12:12 PM
chimed iin with is anti-everyone else but america, commie pinko scum rhetoric? :(


Happy Labour Day to all the hardworking people in this country who strive to make their lives bettr in the face of this failing economy and tumultous republican administration.

Many Respects,,,,TWS

Chang Style Novice
09-06-2004, 01:43 PM
Lets never forget the union men who raised our standard of living to where we are today! Hooray for the forty hour week! Hooray for the weekend! Hooray for minimum wages! Hooray for workplace safety laws! Hooray for child labor laws! Hooray for time and a half overtime! Hooray for collective bargaining!

SOLIDARITY FOREVER!

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

Chang Style Novice
09-06-2004, 01:47 PM
Also, check out The High Hat's Labor Day supplement. I've got an article in there under a pseudonym (you'll understand why when you read it.)

http://www.thehighhat.com

Matrix
09-06-2004, 02:40 PM
While the original concept of the union is a noble ideal, and much good has been done, it seems to have degenerated into the organized avoidance of work, rather than a celebration of work.

David Jamieson
09-06-2004, 02:57 PM
actually that would be a beauracracy you're refering to matrix.

If not for unions, you'd be an endentured slave even now in this new millenium.

The only thing I have doubts about is minimum wage. Is tehre anything more insulting than being paid the least amount of money that a company is legally obligated to do so?

Besides, a huge portion fo jobs are non unionized simply because of labour laws.

But aside from that, most of those union jobs will be outsourced and people will be looking to hold down 2 jobs to make half the money of teh job they have now if the trends of globalization continue. It will be a couple of generations before people don't notice what is happening.

act now, and "strike while the iron is hot", buy stuff made in your home country even if it costs a couple of dollars more. Especially the big ticket items like cars and major appliances when available.

Matrix
09-06-2004, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Kung Lek
actually that would be a beauracracy you're refering to matrix.

If not for unions, you'd be an endentured slave even now in this new millenium. Like I said, that may be true of the original concepts of the unions, but it is not so today. They served a purpose, and did it well. Times have changed....

Let's look at the NDP, repsonsible for much of the Canadian social safety net. Just don't let those folks be in power.

David Jamieson
09-07-2004, 07:06 AM
well, the ndp does have a modicum of power now that we have a minority government in Ottawa (that's here in Canada for those folks not up to speed on Canadian politics)

For the liberals to pass motions, they will likely count on the NDP to buff their minority votes seeing as the other parties are not much help and have opposing political agendas and platforms.

I think that you are slightly incorrect in stating that the NDP is wholly responsible for the social saftey net. While the most certainly participated in the conceiving of the ideas, they have been steadily built upon and passed through into law by mostly Liberal governments in power at varyingf times with some of teh greatest steps forward made by the Pearson and Trudeau governments (both Liberal).

The biggest enemy of teh social safety net is certainly the progressive conservatives (an oxymoron but now they are simply "conservatives".

The NDP has kind of degraded into an overtly socialist group who would likely tax us to death in order to ensure that anyone can get anything for doing nothing. :p

The conservatives are also in dissarray and their leader is in constant firefighter mode trying to keep his radical and often racist and intolerant members from getting media time. Some seriou blunders in teh areas of social safety and civil liberties come out of that group of neo cons.

The Bloc actually is surprisingly still in existance. It has been noted that the only reason for this is because it's members couldn't get as good a job anywhere else in canada. :D (This was stated by a founding member of teh Bloc who walked across the floor on the liberals and started that party in order to get a better deal for Quebec under the trudeau government.

Quebec has indeed gotten some plums since then, but the Bloc is still around, only quebec seperatists are responsible for that imo.

The conservatives are mostly supported by the west and don't hold much sway since the disasterous effects of teh Mulroney era where Brian sold off much of the country and endentured us to teh USA corporate concerns for years to come locking us into sweetheart deals for the Americans and not such great deal for us. ie: we'll give the US our natural resources at a cut rate if they will come and open wal marts everywhere they can. :rolleyes:

Now, I would say that Ernest Manning (prestons dad) back in the day had a big piece of the action when he was NDP and indeed he was the mastermind of the concept of universal medical care. An idea that is catching on in other democratic nations but not quite there with our cousins to the south. This is probably because socialist ideals that are useful, are still viewed as merely socialist and are written off for that reason alone down south.

anyway... just wanted to throw that in there.

Becca
09-07-2004, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Matrix
Like I said, that may be true of the original concepts of the unions, but it is not so today. They served a purpose, and did it well. Times have changed....

Let's look at the NDP, repsonsible for much of the Canadian social safety net. Just don't let those folks be in power.
There's stuff like that everywere you look today. Me? I think I'll keep my union. I have seen it work miricals. Sometimes people who deserve to loose thier jobs don't, especially lazy people. But more often than not, it is the hard working slob who is just a bit slower but still putting out quality work that benifits the most.

I was thanking the heavens for my union when I RIFed 3 years ago durring a company merger. I saw what happened to the other side, who wern't protected by a strong union.:(

Matrix
09-07-2004, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Kung Lek
I think that you are slightly incorrect in stating that the NDP is wholly responsible for the social saftey net. KL,
While Liberal governments have passed the legislation, the NDP and former Social Credit under Tommy Douglas are largely seen as the champions of those causes. Public opinion can make the incumbent government do strange things. ;)


The biggest enemy of teh social safety net is certainly the progressive conservatives (an oxymoron but now they are simply "conservatives". Yep.

The NDP has kind of degraded into an overtly socialist group who would likely tax us to death in order to ensure that anyone can get anything for doing nothing. :p


The Bloc actually is surprisingly still in existance. Not surprising at all if you understand Quebec politics. It really speaks to the dicotomy that is the Quebequois national identity. It's not a black and white as separatist-nationalist. There's a lot of grey in between.

Matrix
09-07-2004, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Becca
I think I'll keep my union. I have seen it work miricals. Hey Becca,
Good to hear that your pleased with your union. I shouldn't generalize about unions, I guess there are some good ones out there.

I never have, nor will I ever, work in a union job. My wife always has. So I see both sides.


Sometimes people who deserve to loose thier jobs don't, especially lazy people. That's the part that bugs me. People get promoted based on time in, not on who is most capable. It brings things down to the lowest common denominator.


But more often than not, it is the hard working slob who is just a bit slower but still putting out quality work that benifits the most. That should good enough. We can only give the best that we have. There's a big difference between this and being lazy. I think every company needs the hard working 'slob' who's just plugging away. There's a lot to be said about that kind of attitude.


I was thanking the heavens for my union when I RIFed 3 years ago durring a company merger. I saw what happened to the other side, who wern't protected by a strong union.:( The problem is, that if the business is failing, the union cannot protect you forever. The company closes down, or moves jobs to Mexico or India. Unfortunately it boils down to the bottom line.

Anyways, for those who like unions, more power to you. They're just not my thing.

Peace,

Spark
09-07-2004, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Matrix
Not surprising at all if you understand Quebec politics. It really speaks to the dicotomy that is the Quebequois national identity. It's not a black and white as separatist-nationalist. There's a lot of grey in between.

It is very true. I dated a Quebecer for a few years and she was a Bloc supporter through and through - because the Bloc not only represents Quebec seperation, but it represents QUEBEC. This is the sort of transition or stance (can't find the right word) that this party is going through and I'm not surprised that it is still doing well because many Quebequois feel isolated in an anglophone canada, especially politically.

Matrix
09-07-2004, 12:56 PM
Hey Spark,
I was born and raised in Montreal. I went through several referendums on Quebec seperation. I moved to Ontario for work, but Montreal will always be home to me.

Unfortunately some of the isolation is self-imposed.
Politics aside, I think the Quebequois have a great culture, and I really enjoy going home when I can....

Peace

Becca
09-08-2004, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Matrix
That's the part that bugs me. People get promoted based on time in, not on who is most capable. It brings things down to the lowest common denominator.

I haven't found that to be the case. I have found that to be the attitude of many people who never accually applied for any union position.

The first part of a promotion in a union is the bid. Then they sort all the bidders into "elegible in side the group, "elegable outside the group" and "inelegable". Those in side the group, or already in that department, get first crack at it. If none they then test the out-side the group personel. It is only at this point that senority comes into play. The selectee will have the most time in but this is not a garrantee of seccess. You now have a probation period. If and only if you pass the final eval, do you get to keep the job. There are many more pluses to this system. The first being that if you don't happen to pass the probation, you don't get fired; you get your old job back. The next being that quallified personnel are garonteed a crack to all better paying jobs before the company gets to go out into the public. I could keep going but I'll leave that there.

The problem is, that if the business is failing, the union cannot protect you forever. The company closes down, or moves jobs to Mexico or India. Unfortunately it boils down to the bottom line.

The Buisness was the Denver Newspaper Agency. I worked for the Denver Post when The merger between it and the Rocky Mountain News was approved. My entire department got cut, but I was low-level management and so was protected, to some degree. I got paid for all my unused vacasion and sick time as well as 2 weeks severance pay. But all of my counter-parts at the News got it up the bumm. Most didn't even get lube.:(

BM2
09-08-2004, 06:03 AM
http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2004/09/articles/d.html

Besides bringing down the rest of the industry, Japanese auto transplants also impact worker's comp. by having their lawyers challange existing worker's comp and then having other companies cite the new cases to challenge their employees by citing Toyota cases, at least here in KY.
Toyota made about ten times the profit of the Big Three combined but refuses to meet their benifet packages mostly in the post 65 age area. The younger workforce does not worry about such things as having to lose insurance and funding their own retirement.
The Big Three's retirement covers about 70% of straight time earnings with no 401k match. Toyota will give a straight dollar amount to the employee when they retire with no monthly pension. It is 5% of what you earned and up to a 4% match on the 401k but you have to put into the 401k to get that. The UAW members get over 3k a month for 30 years, insurance for life without having to put anything in a 401k so they keep more of their check if they want. We get a lump sum of money and when it runs out... you better be dead. And a reimbursment of your insurance cost after you turn 65 and go on medicare. BUT it is not enough to buy what we lose as workers. To compete, the Big Three may have to lower coverage for their workers.

Matrix
09-08-2004, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by Becca
I have found that to be the attitude of many people who never accually applied for any union position. I don't need to stick my hand in a hornets nest to know that I will get stung. My wife, and many friends work in union jobs and I hear this time in and time out. Like I said, if that's your thinking, then more power to you. Just don't try to promote unions as some sort of miracle workers.

By the way, I once applied for a job that I did not know was a union position, until after it was offered to me. I also had one other job offer. I refused the union job just because it was union. I have a bad attitude, and wouldn't do well in that environment. Neither I nor the union needs the grief.


The first part of a promotion in a union is the bid. Then they sort all the bidders into "elegible in side the group, "elegable outside the group" and "inelegable". Those in side the group, or already in that department, get first crack at it. If none they then test the out-side the group personel. It is only at this point that senority comes into play. The selectee will have the most time in but this is not a garrantee of seccess. You now have a probation period. If and only if you pass the final eval, do you get to keep the job. There are many more pluses to this system. The first being that if you don't happen to pass the probation, you don't get fired; you get your old job back. The next being that quallified personnel are garonteed a crack to all better paying jobs before the company gets to go out into the public. I could keep going but I'll leave that there. Who was talking about beauracracy before? :rolleyes:


But all of my counter-parts at the News got it up the bumm. Most didn't even get lube.:( I was recently laid off after a merger myself. No big deal. Life goes on. BTW, I got a good package, and guess what...... no union. :eek:

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