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cha kuen
01-04-2001, 09:35 AM
Have you guys heard of this fight? It was between a white crane guy and the son of the founder of wu style tai chi. I have the tape of it, but I'm only offering it for trade.

Email me at pkduong@ucsd.edu

brassmonkey
01-04-2001, 11:33 AM
I've heard the fight had sloppy techniques and
was uneventful except the Wu stylist bloodying
the nose of his opponent and would love to see
the tape but I have no tapes to trade. Also
I heard it was tibetan crane and not fukien white
crane. Perhaps you could give your analsysis of the fight?

GLW
01-04-2001, 03:07 PM
It was a poor excuse for two martial artists.

From what I saw, it looked like Wu took the whole thing much more seriously than the younger man. While he did bloody the other man's nose, it did not appear to be any major blow.

It also appeared that the fight was stopped before teh White Crane guy had a chance to retaliate.

I do NOT mean that he couldn't...just that when the fight was stopped, it appeared that he had made up his mind to fight back seriously.

From sources that did neither White Crane nor Wu's Taijiquan, I have gathered that the original match was supposed to be an exhibition and they were not supposed to go after each other seriously. The White Crane guy's attitude and apparent surprise when Wu hit him tended to suport this. The White Crane guy had a look of someone who had been sucker punched when he was expecting a tap. Perhaps this could have been surprise at the strength of the blow, but given his opponents reputation, I would doubt that he would ahve assumed that Wu was undeserving of concern.

stephenchan
01-05-2001, 12:06 AM
I saw a film of it.

Basically, the White Crane guy was a nobody, and Wu GongYi was the inheritor of Wu style. The white crane guy had nothing to lose, and Wu GongYi had his family reputation on the line.

The fight looked pretty lame to me. Both guys seemed sloppy in executing and recovery, they couldn't setup their techniques properly, they couldn't cover up properly - basically it looked like neither one knew anything about free fighting. But I think that Wu GongYi must have had more power than the crane guy, since I think the crane guy spent a lot of time avoiding Wu.

Lots of people associated with Taiji were really embarassed by how ineffectual Wu GongYi was against this relative nobody, and I think many people in the Wu Taiji world considered the whole thing very embarassing. I heard that Dong YingJie had some unkind words for Wu after the fight.

By the way, I met a guy who saw the fight, and he apparently knew the White Crane guy - according to him, the white crane guy was more a western boxer than a white crane stylist.

--
Stephen Chan

stma
01-05-2001, 06:08 PM
The White Crane guy is Chan Hakfu. He did a couple of seminars in SF in the 70's.

Joseph Crandall

ocontrer
05-18-2006, 06:06 AM
In 1954 number one Wu style Tai Chi Chuang Master Wu Kung Yee (Wu Gong Yi), inheritor of Wu style, attended a charity event contest against Grand Master Ng Siu Cheong, who was recognised as the principal exponent of the Tibetan White Crane Style. Instead accepting, Master Ng nominated young Sifu Chan Hak Fu to fight in his place. At that time Sifu Chang was considerate a very good fighter, otherwise Master Wu didn’t accepted the challenge, because is well known in China that masters only fight with masters.
The fight was declared a tie, Sifu Chan hit first and Master Wu sent him a backward around long arm with open hand down palm fist, hitting the nose of Sifu Chan.
In Tibetan White Crane Style Sifu Chan Hak Fu was three degrees below Top Master Ng, so the tied contest can be interpreted as “Top mastering of Wu syle Tai Chi Chuang is as good as three level below Top mastering of Tibetan White Crane”.

chud
05-18-2006, 09:48 AM
Here you go: http://mplay.donga.com/dkbnews/2004/0401_ohvsjin.wmv

B-Rad
05-18-2006, 11:04 AM
There you go, no need for a play by play when it's available for all to see :)

Wow, ooooooooooooooooold topic...

scholar
05-19-2006, 11:29 AM
If you think that old Wu Gongyi wasn't very good, go look up his grandson Eddie Wu at www.wustyle.com and tell him! Better yet, go for a visit. That should settle it...

phoenixdog
05-20-2006, 02:53 PM
Looks like two girls fighting except for the first punch.

HmorenoM
07-06-2013, 07:41 PM
I just found this but... i don't know why i expected more than that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FsZyPjsjTA

David Jamieson
07-07-2013, 07:32 AM
Your offering of a dead horse is acknowledged. :)

Members will be along to beat it forthwith!

mickey
07-07-2013, 07:49 AM
Greetings,

It was nice to see Lau Fat Mang in the first minute. Never saw that part before. His arm guard position is designed to catch. I never saw that posture with Eagle Claw before.


mickey

Primalaxisguy
07-07-2013, 02:14 PM
A fine example of classical martial arts usage; clearly the Wu stylist was the victor, displaying an impressive degree of both internal power as well as restraint!

BlackEChan
07-07-2013, 03:25 PM
"... Especially master wu's tai chi, It's motions are so smooth..."

mantis7
07-08-2013, 04:57 AM
SMH...words can not describe the eye pain I have felt.

lkfmdc
07-08-2013, 07:48 AM
Yet again there is a discussion on a taiji group about how this is high level taiji that people just don't understand because they haven't seen the "real stuff". Those aren't "wild swings" they are attacks to accupoints on the arms :rolleyes:

TenTigers
07-08-2013, 08:24 AM
it is clear to those who are aware, exactly what was going on. These two were high level masters of sun-dar, spirit boxing. The "wild swings," were a result of their spirit possession taking over their bodies, and the seemingly awkward movement was the spirits emitting supernatural forces through their mortal vehicles.
The entire demonstration was quite astonishing, and continues to amaze and astonish only but the profane to this day.
Fools. All of you.

lkfmdc
07-08-2013, 08:47 AM
it is clear to those who are aware, exactly what was going on. These two were high level masters of sun-dar, spirit boxing. The "wild swings," were a result of their spirit possession taking over their bodies, and the seemingly awkward movement was the spirits emitting supernatural forces through their mortal vehicles.
The entire demonstration was quite astonishing, and continues to amaze and astonish only but the profane to this day.
Fools. All of you.

I see a day in the Delaware sun, surfing sodomy creek, has affected your mind!!

(and it is an improvement!)

:D

Primalaxisguy
07-08-2013, 09:17 AM
it is clear to those who are aware, exactly what was going on. These two were high level masters of sun-dar, spirit boxing. The "wild swings," were a result of their spirit possession taking over their bodies, and the seemingly awkward movement was the spirits emitting supernatural forces through their mortal vehicles.
The entire demonstration was quite astonishing, and continues to amaze and astonish only but the profane to this day.
Fools. All of you.

At least someone else here recognizes that this is a high-level demonstration. However this is not an example of Spirit-Boxing, as use of this Method is bounded by several rules, including prohibition of use during daylight or in front of a large crowd. Also, the sort of damage done by this Method is highly specific, and was not demonstrated here. Furthermore, any true Master of Internal Boxing, such as Master Wu, would not need to resort to this sort of possession for efficacy.

scholar
07-21-2013, 09:30 AM
Anyone who wants a definitive answer to the questions raised by this short, grainy film clip only needs to look up Eddie Wu at wustyle.com and tell him to his face that his grandfather was a punk. Remember, it has to be in person, to his face. Let us know how it goes...

YouKnowWho
07-21-2013, 01:45 PM
We have to give both of them credit for putting themselves infront of the public eyes. I have always believed that we can divide people into 3 categories. Those who

1. competes and win.
2. competes and lose.
3. is afraid to compete.

Anybody who belongs to the 1st or 2nd category should deserve the respect for their courage.

scholar
07-24-2013, 02:26 PM
Indeed. Eddie Wu learned from his grandfather, Wu Gongyi. Nobody has to take my word or your word for what happened in 1954 when they can go challenge the "gatekeeper" of Wu Gongyi's school personally. It is the next best thing to a time machine, Wu Gongyi's last student is alive today, and I'll bet he is willing (and able) to speak up for his grandfather. If Gongyi was as lame as they say, it should be an easy thing and they can post the video of Eddie Wu being humiliated on YouTube! Until then, it is all talk from a safe distance.

pazman
07-24-2013, 03:16 PM
Scholar,
Are you posting a challenge to KFM forums on behalf of the Wu Family? Does Eddie Wu know you are doing this?

Does he, or you, feel they above criticism based on a unflattering demonstration of gongfu?

scholar
08-09-2013, 10:45 AM
I'm not his representative, but I do know him. I'm commenting on the long-winded situation on the internet by accentuation. He publishes that he is the gatekeeper of his grandfather's school. As heir presumptive (oldest son of the oldest son of Wu Gongyi, who was oldest son of Wu Jianquan) in years past I know personally that he has been challenged many times in Hong Kong and Toronto, it goes with the territory. I'm not worried about Eddie Wu but if people really want to have an informed opinion about his grandfather they should look him up. He has videos on YouTube and does classes around the world.

MarathonTmatt
08-09-2013, 09:50 PM
hey wow right on, that was an interesting match to watch!

bawang
08-10-2013, 06:42 AM
We have to give both of them credit for putting themselves infront of the public eyes. I have always believed that we can divide people into 3 categories. Those who

1. competes and win.
2. competes and lose.
3. is afraid to compete.

Anybody who belongs to the 1st or 2nd category should deserve the respect for their courage.

you have respect for someone who loses and brags about losing? they really need to find a more respected and dignified career, like bricklaying or cleaning toilets.

Kellen Bassette
08-11-2013, 05:44 AM
you have respect for someone who loses and brags about losing? they really need to find a more respected and dignified career, like bricklaying or cleaning toilets.

Where did he say bragging about losing? Someone who is not afraid to fight another fighter has my respect....and brick laying sucks but prevailing wage is $46 an hour here...not bad for a depressed area....

LaRoux
08-31-2013, 06:17 PM
Anyone who wants a definitive answer to the questions raised by this short, grainy film clip only needs to look up Eddie Wu at wustyle.com and tell him to his face that his grandfather was a punk. Remember, it has to be in person, to his face. Let us know how it goes...

Went fine, thanks. Not for him, though.