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Mr. Nemo
11-03-2001, 10:03 PM
I've had some experience in doing what you could call "miscellaneous submission grappling" when I was in San Diego over last summer. A guy in escondido basically had an open mat in his house - he was a bjj blue belt who'd also learned some catchwrestling at various Cecchine seminars. I rolled with him, a couple other bjj guys, and a guy who'd trained shoot wrestling somewhere in japan.

Here's what I learned about myself: I'm not very good with the closed guard. My guard is easily passed and not very dangerous. Open guard I mostly use to shove the guy away and try to get up.

Top position, on the other hand, I'm very good at. I have good balance, an instinctive understanding of when and where to post, and by the end of the summer, I could hold side mount on the blue belt (a guy that weighed around 210 lbs.) for as long as I wanted and even try a couple of submissions from there. My full mount was less stable, but still pretty good. Long story short, I prefer the top position and hate being on my back.

Now I'm up in LA, and until recently was a dead broke college student. I've made a few budgetary adjustments and can afford to go to some kind of sub grappling school. What I want is one that will put more emphasis on the "wrestling" end and less on the "grappling" end. Problem is, I understand many wrestling-style schools kind of pretend the guard doesn't exist, and never learn how to deal with it, and as a result, get subbed from the bottom a lot against a good bjj stylist.

I'd like to find a school that doesn't put as much emphasis on guard as bjj, since the top comes more naturally to me, and since I'll be doing some freestyle wrestling as well (next semester my schedule opens up and I can train with the wrestling club at USC. Oh, and I live in LA. Can someone help me out?

Ryu
11-03-2001, 10:19 PM
Sounds like you fight kinda like I do :D
My guard is not as good as my mount, crossbody, and especially kamishiho (north and south)
Recently I've been working and drilling knee on stomach too.
My guard is okay, (enough to usually reverse, and sweep even a Black belt judoka) but I hate being down there, and sometimes a good guard passer has no problem getting through :D Then it becomes mount and side mount escapes (which I'm good at)

I'd say go for judo! :D Seriously, they will not focus on the guard as much as BJJ since they are not only trying to get subs but pin their opponents like wrestlers.

Good old fashioned Collegiate wrestling is another one I'd definately recommend for top skills.

Take care,
Ryu

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soy
11-03-2001, 11:12 PM
There is a good judo school at the ymca something in west los angeles. It's at the one on sawtelle right around santa monica and such.. right around all those asian resturaunts. I hear the judo class is actually free, and it's supposedly a very good class. I've never attended it though.

LEGEND
11-04-2001, 12:13 AM
Mr. Nemo...do they have LION's DEN academy there??? I doubt it...but they train with an emphasis or striking in the guard...in my personal opinion...learn to control the biceps and of your opponent when in their guard! The only submission u should watchout for is the armbars and triangles and various sweeps! While in the guard...u can strike...

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Merryprankster
11-04-2001, 12:41 AM
I like Ryu's answer.

However, there's also nothing that says that you can't go to a BJJ school and learn to be a top fighter.

Water Dragon
11-04-2001, 02:04 AM
Judo, if you hate the bottom so much, Judo gives you a good way to control how you end up on the greond. You can throw the guy and then jump on top of them.

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Mr. Nemo
11-04-2001, 03:30 AM
Thanks for the replies. I hadn't really looked into judo - of course, I'd want a judo school that practiced plenty of groundfighting.

The options I'm looking at are bjj (machado or torrance, most likely), gokor's school, and shoot wrestling at Inosanto's. The shoot wrestling I think puts a good deal of emphasis on the top game, I'm not sure what Gokor's teaching is like, I'll probably watch a class a week from monday.

Wrestling is good, but I also want something that deals with submissions.

Brad Souders
11-04-2001, 05:27 AM
GOKOR ;)

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