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Former castleva
12-07-2001, 01:36 AM
I have had asthma for all of my life,I have not had any problems for years,but now Iīm having breathing problems everyday!
Doctors say that the stress causes it and that it has nothing to with asthma,but they just canīt do anything about it...
How about chi-kung?

shaolinboxer
12-07-2001, 06:39 AM
Sure, if you have stress induced asthma, anything that will lower your stress levels will be helpful. Chi kung can be practiced without too much stress on the lungs, althought it does stimulate the cardiovascular system.

honorisc
12-11-2001, 06:50 PM
May I do something to possiblly help you better? I'm asking for permission.

joedoe
12-11-2001, 08:50 PM
What did you have in mind? I am asthmatic as well and am looking for ways to make myself better.

honorisc
12-12-2001, 04:40 AM
I had in mind to think about person's lung situation; move my hands like they were passing over the troublded areas...that was about that. I might repeat as I felt was appropriate. But then listen to see how the situation gets different. Especially to see if it gets worse-wouldn't want things to get worse. I only hope it would stick long enough for persons (or your , or whose ever 's) body to readjust to make it more performance operative.

Supposedly the body~fixes it's self I just give it a hopefully strong enough suggestion that it gets to it sooner rather than later. Basically, some-such.

joedoe
12-12-2001, 05:43 PM
So you're talking about energy healing? If you would like to do that on me, feel free. I will take any healing I can get to try and sort out my asthma.

Justa Man
12-28-2001, 10:59 AM
i too have had asthma my entire life, and it's been pretty constant throughout.
i do breathing exercises before chi gung. i imagine (when inhaling through nose) that i'm inhaling clean, healthy air. when exhaling (through small hole in mouth) i imagine all the dirt and asthma in my lungs leaving with the breath. i do about 30 reps a day, and when finished i spend a minute relaxed, thinking, feeling and believing that i have just made my lungs healthier and stronger. i've done this for about 7 months and my asthma has lessoned considerably.
hope i've helped.

prana
12-28-2001, 12:42 PM
Hi there, just out of curiosity, is it common for Qi-Gung to exhale through a small hole in the mouth ? Does your tongue contact the upper cave of your mouth during practise, or do you release it through every exhalation ?

I appreciate your reply...

No_Know
12-30-2001, 04:23 PM
ABandit, tell me if you are feeling worse. i did something that very day or the next.

joedoe
01-01-2002, 04:13 PM
Sorry I haven't replied recently - been away on a Christmas break. You may be pushing uphill on this one - we are having bad bush fires here and the smoke is making my asthma really bad. Try again sometime and I'll let you know how I go.

BTW thanks :)

lloyd
01-03-2002, 10:16 AM
I have read that there are two problems that are often overlooked in case of asthma.

Why does stress cause asthma? One theory says that, because you breathe more under stress and too much oxygen is getting in to your system and you are losing too much carbon dioxide. I don't think the balance between these two components is the only reason, but there is supposed to be a chain reaction that follows and produces the result. An advice is given to parents whose children have asthma. If the seizure starts then grab around the child's chest and don't let him/her take deep breaths and it should stop. The theory also says that people have asthma problems more during their vacation in fresh air conditions, because they breathe deeper. If you do, for instance, standing practice, then you breathe in much less and thus your lungs expand. When you breathe deeply, then your lungs "contract" in order to keep the body from too much oxygen (anything is bad in large doses). People who breathe deeply have much less lung capacity. This also explains why mountain air good for lungs, because the air has less oxygen.

This theory doesn't explain what to do about it. Because starting to breathe less regularly with your abdomen (your lungs expand downwards and push the diaphragm) is not easy.
According to a Chinese medicine source, 60-70 percent of tuberculosis originates from kidney problems (the Chinese meaning of the word "kidneys" includes more than the English term). Lungs are the most vulnerable organs of the body that cannot stand neither cold nor heat. They are the the branches and leaves of the tree. The kidneys are the trunk. If the trunk is drying up then the leaves and branches go first.

I think that you should nourish your kidneys (Chinese term again)first and that will probably help your asthma. I think that standing meditation can probably help you. Deep breathing exercises might make things worse. Of course you have to have a good teacher or a lot of experience in this field. You don't want to get bad side-effects.


P.S. Check yangaofei.com, where there is an article of interest. He suggests standing and explains the good effects of standing practice to kidneys, lungs and for overall health. I am not a specialist, but many people support his theory.

Leonidas
01-05-2002, 08:50 PM
Yea asthma has made my life pretty sh*tty too. The things i coulda accomplished..........Anyways do a query search for the BUTEYKO METHOD. It's a breathing excercise thats s'pose to reduce asthma by like 90%. It was made by this Russian Doctor who has some revolutionary ideas. One example is that Deep breathing is bad for you which could be possible since it was never proven good. .He said he noticed that only people close to dying breath deep and that if you look at a healthy person their chest bearly moves It was very HEAVILY RESEARCHED and has been a help for TENS of THOUSANDS of people. I dont think it's BS and i'm gonna try it since it sounds legit enough. I'll try anything to make my lungs better. Another thing to do is eat alot and i mean alot of FRUITS with CITRIC ACID. ORANGES, GRAPEFRUITS. Sh*t like that. I supposedly helped this lady who had horrible asthma problem. She was in the hospitable all the time. She never had an attack again. I think it's the Vitamin C. But dont use pills. I been doing that and it's not helping. Another important thing is to change your diet. Trust me on this. No white flour or sugar. Thats my advice. If you dont want to try the things i'm mentioning dont worry. I'm doing them too, so give me a month and i'll get back to you. What have you got to lose. "Modern medicine" hasn't given you any options except pumping you full of Drugs Oh yea, try that CHIGUNG thing, Thats sure to help you too.

dre_doggX
01-07-2002, 12:36 PM
the slower you do these postures the better and go www.theflow.org/qigong/

read all.

check all

question all.

any question write back.

no this as nothing to do with gods just imagiary though/ this author uses a goddess in imaginaing. its done without reference to anybody by most(at least me) so imagine you hands are being held by strings. no god if you dont want to.

read this whole site and your will see what I mean bye.

lloyd
01-08-2002, 06:55 AM
The theory that I described in my previous mail was Buteyko's.
I think people with asthma should at least look in to it, because it might be good. I don't know if Buteiko suggests anything else besides "breathing less" (which is good advice - IMO), but standing practice under a good teacher's guidance should help make it a habit.
I think that there should be Yiquan in many countries (including Finland), there are at least seminars in most areas. Other internal arts also ought to have similar basic practices. I think you should give them a careful try. The results (good or bad) will probably take at least a few months to come out. IF you have a good teacher and follow the rules and listen to your body carefully, then standing will probably help.

Xebsball
01-16-2002, 05:46 AM
"Hi there, just out of curiosity, is it common for Qi-Gung to exhale through a small hole in the mouth ? Does your tongue contact the upper cave of your mouth during practise, or do you release it through every exhalation ?"

Prana, it depends, there are diferent types of qigong.
The one i learned is done breathing trough the nose all the time while the tongue stays on the upper mouth thing like you said.

SifuAbel
01-17-2002, 09:47 PM
One of the exercises in the Pa tuan Chin is for removing anger from the body. It is really a visualization done during deep breathing. You take in the "good air' and then visualize the "bad air" leaving you as you exhale while baring your fists out. looking away as you retract the fists taking in another "good" breath. techniques of this type are being used in modern psychology today.

it can't hurt..........

red_fists
01-17-2002, 09:55 PM
Hi.

The Qi-Gong that I was taught used only the nose for breathing.

And, yes, I believe that the right Qi-Gong can ease your asthma if not cure it.

There are a few exercises out there that will clean your system nicely of irritants.

May I recommend the "8 Brocade Silk" exercises to start of with. Info is freely available on the Net.

In lots of aspects Qi-Gong is very similar to Yoga and either will benefit you.

Best is to try to find a qualified practicioner to supervise and guide you.
Hope this helps.

dfedorko@mindspring.com
01-19-2002, 07:38 AM
Let me say that I am not a doctor but I might be able to help you. I have had bronchitis for many years. Ever since I started practicing Tai Chi and Qigong, I have made improvements. I was introduced to Qigong 18. If you would like a copy send me your address via my email address and I will send it to you. Have a good weekend.

xiaotiema

Sam Wiley
01-26-2002, 08:08 AM
In Taiji, we have a qigong for the lungs from the form. Do Bagua Fishes (or Fishes in Eight, as it is sometimes called), from Sit Back Ready, and then hold it at the end for a minute or two. You do it 5 times on each side. Do the entire move on an out breath, and then once you begin to hold the static posture, imagine the breath coming in your left hand (or the one closest to your chest), passing through your chest, and going out the right palm (the one furthest from your chest. Then follow this up by doing Grasping Sparrow's Tail ten times in a row, or 5 times on each side.

I would also recommend that you stop eating and drinking dairy products.