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chen zhen
08-10-2001, 09:11 PM
is it something worth looking into or are you better of doing muay thai or other kickboxing styles?o

rogue
08-10-2001, 11:09 PM
A lot of JKD people swear by it, but that may be because it's not TKD or kickboxing.


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

MonkeySlap Too
08-11-2001, 04:26 AM
I don't think I ever met a Savate player.

I was thinking about all the people and styles I've encountered, yet no savate. darnit. I'd like to check it out...

I am a big beleiver in luck. The more I work, the more luck I have.

omegapoint
08-11-2001, 12:18 PM
Savate is definitely an awesome art. Their kicking techs are very sharp. I'm pretty sure this style's history traces back to France's interaction with China and other Southeastern Asian nations during the 18th and 19th centuries (I think). Their use of toe kicks is very interesting because many Okinawan MAs also teach this tech. Boxe France's use of this kick may be due to the fact that they spar with Savate shoes on. The Okinawans used it more as a pressure point strike. This kicking technique makes since in a modern street situation, too, as we all wear shoes.

chen zhen
08-11-2001, 08:52 PM
what are the most characteristic techniques of this style?ˇ

dunbarj01
08-27-2001, 02:47 AM
Omegapoint,

I thought Savate was much older, somewhere in the vacinity of 400 years. Apparently, it didn't conform to the standardised boxing rules that came out in the mid 1800s (banning kicks) and so kept its tradition more or less unbroken.

Cheers

IcedSamurai
08-27-2001, 03:27 AM
It's a very cool art, and not to be racist, but I think a lot of whites/Americans should try this, because I've never seen an American teach Savate. I've only seen one in Kiss of the Dragon :D

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Within Light, there is Darkness. Within Darkness, there is Light. Within Fear there is Strength.

Stranger
08-27-2001, 04:35 AM
Learning how to use "the boot" in combat is an invaluable lesson. Savate will definitely train you in these tactics.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

omegapoint
08-28-2001, 05:20 AM
V the I: You are probably right. I was probably off a hundred years or so. It's an effective and cool style of fighting...Lates!

red5angel
01-04-2002, 08:48 AM
Does anyone here practice Savate? Is it kick boxing? What are the principles behind it?

Crimson Phoenix
01-04-2002, 09:42 AM
I am a savate player...it's kick boxing in the sense that you have kicks, but there are major differences...first, you never kick with the shin, always with the foot (upper part, sole, side). You practice it with shoes on, and each kick should be cleanly armed (in orthodox savate, after you do what you want heheheheh).
It relies heavily on precision and speed, it is like fencing with feet. There are plenty kicks (some of them are exclusive to savate) that I cannot describe extensively here (too long!!), but here is a small list of kicks: mawashi style kicks, low press kick in a piston way (crushing the knee) or by slamming the instep on the opponent's shin (savate trademark), front push kick (striking with heel, or hitting with the tip of the toes for a good dim mak...you find this kick in bagua too for example), side kick (push or whip, sole of foot), crescent kicks (external) either front or lateral, all of them can be rotative or/jump kicks, and can freely be mixed in any way you want. And all the hand techniques in english boxing.
The particular way of arming and performing kicks makes it very common for a savate player to deal a couple of kicks from the same leg without resting the leg, at different levels and/or with different techniques.
In antique savate, you could use head, knees, elbows, but they got ruled out, like the upper whip kick to the nads or jaw (too dangerous). You are not allowed to block by raising the shin, if you raise the leg it has to be to remove the target. Even better, the best thing is to remove the target by chambering a kick, so the counter is very fast. This makes that the combat distance differs from kick boxing, but different stepping exist (shuffle step, cross step, jumping, etc...) to manage the distance.
It's a very rich, fun and yet vicious art.
If you have a chance to try a good savate class, go for it, I'm sure you won't regret it!!

Kristoffer
01-04-2002, 11:56 AM
Savate is awsome

I think that it was used as street fighting at first? And that people used steel plated shoes. ( a special shoe that had pointy iron at the toe) .. and that this had something to do with the the name Savate?? :confused:

Asia
01-04-2002, 05:21 PM
I too am a savate player!!! I also play at la canne and la grand baton.

Pheonix gave some good info on les chasses. To help kris out...Savate is said to derive from a Basque foot fighting art. Also it is said that it was further developed by french sailors coming back from their voyages to the Far East. Rob W. Smith/ John F. Gibley has a good history of savate in his "Way of the Warrior" book

straight blast
01-04-2002, 05:27 PM
Has anyone ever seen a fight between a Savate player & a Muay Thai fighter? I have a lot of respect for Savate & I'd love to see a fight between the two systems.

rogue
01-04-2002, 06:59 PM
It's TKD with snails instead of kimchi.

DelicateSound
01-23-2002, 03:04 PM
I have to do a piece of Coursework for my French A-Level, and so I've chosen to study Savate, in comparison with other MA's.

Are there any Savate people out there who can direct me to some good websites [French language preferably]?
Crimson Phoenix - I'm looking at you :D

You'd be doing me a REAL favour.

Thanking you in advance - The Sound Man.

Crimson Phoenix
01-24-2002, 04:00 AM
I gotcha, lemme check today for some good sites, I'll be right back atcha in a few hours :D

Crimson Phoenix
01-24-2002, 04:39 AM
Faster than light, here I am!!
Check this one:

http://www.multimania.com/bfsavate/
It's in french, but you have an english version under "links". The history is quite good, and you'll see some old school pictures with stances furiously gong fu like (especially the two kids, and the guy hitting the bag).

Try that one, kinda messy but you will find good stuffs (with cane too):
http://www.cdbf75.com/Accueil/Accueil.asp

And a last page with links in french or in english:
http://martialarts.about.com/cs/savate1/

Hope it'll be helpful, keep me informed if you have any specific questions/requests!

apoweyn
01-24-2002, 06:46 AM
here's what i've got bookmarked:

http://www.guychase.com/p4.html

http://www.multimania.com/bfsavate/enindex.htm

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/PlayingFields/hanoverboxingclub/fsavate.html

http://www.mygale.org/bfsavate/lexique.htm

http://query.lycos.com/wguide/wire/wire_969198_93270_3_1.html

http://www.cambridgemartialarts.freeserve.co.uk/savate.htm

http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/satbi/satbi-e/martart/boxefr.html

DelicateSound
01-28-2002, 12:33 PM
Cheers guys - MUCH appreciated. :)

Now I've got to fing some French language sites on Kung Fu. Ah well...... it's a LONG road ahead...... :D

phantom
03-01-2002, 10:50 AM
I have read that Daniel Duby practices old style savate, which is different from la boxe' franchaise style, and his style is more self-defense oriented. Well, what exactly is the difference between these two styles? Also, what is it about old style savate that makes it more self-defense oriented? Thanks in advance.

Asia
03-02-2002, 02:12 AM
'Chauson' it what savate derived from. From what I got from my teacher and a few books I got in Metz, France is that there where no punches in chauson or older savate just slaps to the face. The punches weren't added until a savateer was beaten by an English boxer. The term, "La Boxe' Franchise" I have seen been used interchangeabley with 'Savate' and I have seen it refer to the 'ring' fighting. I keep hearing the reference 'ring' savate and 'street' savate at my salle. So there is obivious differences in the techniques. I haven't fought in an actual Savate match yet so I don't really know what techs are allowed and the different applications. Hope it helps some.

Budokan
04-04-2002, 11:39 AM
All meant in fun. Any resemblance to characters, alive or dead, is purely intentional. Enjoy!

Once, after the War Between the States, a newpaperman from New York rode out West on a sway-backed mare. After many months of travel he came to a tent by the Platte River where a mule skinner sat, whittling a piece of wood.
"Evenin'," the newspaperman tipped his bowler. "I've come to this wilderness because I heard tell there's a brave Frenchmen who lives in these parts, and I wanted to do a story on him."
The mule skinner looked up from the corner of his eye, spit a brown stream of tobacco juice, and kept on whittling. "Boy," he said, "are you ever lost."

Hitler harangued his generals, his voice rising to a fever pitch. "We will blitzkrieg the French Army! We will scatter them like leaves before a great Aryan storm! Nothing will stop us. NOTHING!"
One of the German Generals decided to temper the meeting a little with some commen sense. "Mein Furher," he said in a quiet voice, "we should not delude ourselves. The French will not roll over and die. They will fight tooth and nail for every inch of their country."
A short silence fell across the room before everyone burst into relieved, hysterical laughter. The little Bohemian Colonel himself rolled on the floor, holding his side and screaming helplessly with mirth. An hour later, when all the giggles had finally been laughed out of everyone, Hitler clapped the general on the shoulder.
"Let us go fight these courageous Frenchmen you speak of."
With that, everyone burst into uncontrollable laughter again. And that's how the invasion of France was put off for 24 hours.

The sun shone merrily as the invasion army swept through the little French coastal town. A young girl, no more than seven, and holding her mother's hand, said, "Don't look so worried, mama. Our soldiers will take care of them."
The older woman looked down at her daughter with concern and asked, "Have you been smoking hemp again with wine chasers?"

The Frenchman felt the deck of the Titanic tilt beneath his feet. He raised his face to heaven and proclaimed, "C'est la vie. Pepe LePew. Croissant and escargot forever." With those words he flung himself over the rail into the waters below, never to be heard from again.
A dour Englishman who had been standing nearby removed his cigar from his mouth and proclaimed to a friend, "Dumb ba$tard. We haven't even left the docks yet."

"A savate player who also happened to be a Frenchman was a terror in the ring. He met his opponents with fist and foot, and left them a bleeding and broken pulp on the canvas. All men fell before him, all men feared him."
The Father closed the little book from which he had been reading stories to his son. "The end," he finished.
The little boy snuggled under the bedcovers and smiled. "I like adventure stories, Daddy. Tell me another?"
The Father smiled at his son for he loved him very much. "There once was a Frenchman who was not only brave, but a great lover as well."
"Oh, Daddy," the little boy complained, "I said I wanted an adventure story, not fantasy."

One day a little boy came to his father. "Pere, are we French?"
The older man put his finger to his lips and cautioned, "Shhh."

ewallace
04-04-2002, 11:50 AM
Good thing I'm not Fench. I got to read the whole article.

Budokan
04-04-2002, 11:53 AM
ROFLMGAO!!!:D

Kristoffer
04-04-2002, 12:12 PM
what is transparent and lies in the gutter?



an american that Usama has kicked the **** out of


*****

Kristoffer
04-04-2002, 12:14 PM
hii hii:D

Budokan
04-04-2002, 12:15 PM
Haw! That's a good one, too. Fooled you, didn't I? Thought I was gonna get mad. Well, unlike some people I don't mind laughing at myself. I used to read National Lampoon when it was funny. Result: Anything and everything is fodder for comedy.:D

Kristoffer
04-04-2002, 12:17 PM
:D Hey,, there is like a million jokes that can be made of my country so i wasn't really seriously u know.. :)

ewallace
04-04-2002, 12:23 PM
Except for Sweeden. I don't think I've ever heard a sweedish joke. As far as I know I am swedish. The best my pollish friend could ever muster up was that I was a goddammn viking. OOoohhh that hurts.

Kristoffer
04-04-2002, 12:28 PM
well talk to a norwegian.. they really diss uss swedes. But in Sweden we have Norway storys and vice verca :D

JWTAYLOR
04-04-2002, 12:48 PM
Man, it took me WAY too long to get that joke.

But when I did I have to admit I laughed.

JWT

Kristoffer
04-04-2002, 01:08 PM
JWTAYLOR.. LoL it is about Somalia from the start, I just changed it into 'america'.. guess it was

rogue
04-04-2002, 02:30 PM
How do you break a Swedes finger? Punch him in the nose.

How many Swedes does it take to eat an armidillo? three, one to eat and two to watch for cars.

Here about the blind lesbian on vacation in Sweden? I don't have a punch line but there has to be a joke in there.

ewallace
04-04-2002, 02:38 PM
those are taken from pollish jokes rogue. Pretty much every joke is interchangable. Like this one, "How do you wink at a (african, polish, german, french) guy? [act like you are aiming a shotgun].

Tai-Jutsuka
03-01-2003, 06:37 PM
Anyone here know anything about it or any links to any information about it?

Former castleva
03-05-2003, 06:05 AM
French fighting art,high on kicking with arms used to block.
Seems to be a rare artform nowadays.

Your link siree.

http://www.savateaustralia.com/

yenhoi
03-10-2003, 12:22 PM
Most Jun Fan martial arts and related have ties to savate.

I have limited knowledge, do you have specific questions?

I practice Jeet Kune Do.

;)

chen zhen
05-10-2003, 01:12 AM
I've been inspired by the recent threads about not well-known MA, so I found this:savate site (http://www.savateaustralia.com/)
There's some good articles about savate, and old pictures of it in action. pretty cool site.

edit: There's also articles on the french stick-fighting art of "La Canne", and I recommend checking out the "dirty tricks of the french apache" article, there's some cool techniques there, like the jacket-throwing technique.

chen zhen
05-16-2003, 06:55 AM
YO! :mad:
look at this site, it's cool (just trying to get it on the front page again):rolleyes:

Black Jack
05-16-2003, 08:06 AM
Yeah savateaussie is one of my favorite sites. It has some great articles.

I am going to be at a ma seminar this week and I believe their is a gent who knows some la canne coming to the seminar. If he is their and he comes to the after practice group I am going to ask him to show me some.

SevenStar
05-16-2003, 09:34 AM
Good site! lots of interesting articles. "Dirty tricks of the French Apache" has techniques you can still see in the streets today, and the shuai chiao cannonball technique

chen zhen
05-16-2003, 02:57 PM
I thought that if I posted it on the "other related.." forum no-one would see it. :(
savate is a pretty effective and cool MA, it's weird that it's not that popular. It's just too bad:)

Ernie
04-27-2006, 06:54 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WadTkRxeE5A&search=savat

this more the ring stuff Box-Francaise

street savate targets the balls and other fun places to get hit !

just to kill some time if your stuck in your office :D i think i just like the music

Jeff Bussey
04-27-2006, 08:53 AM
Gotta love their kicking ability.
Your getting kicked from the side when the guy is standing right in front of you.

J

stricker
04-27-2006, 01:44 PM
that made up for the flexy friend clip. whats the difference in rules with savate and muay thai? i could see the shoes and no knees and elbows saw some good chances for knees to the head in there also whats up with street style vs ring style?

couch
04-27-2006, 05:09 PM
that made up for the flexy friend clip. whats the difference in rules with savate and muay thai? i could see the shoes and no knees and elbows saw some good chances for knees to the head in there also whats up with street style vs ring style?

Article IV:

There are four categories of hits:

1. Category of "coups de pieds bas"
These are kicks given with the back leg, with the internal border of the foot in extension, on the opponent's front leg or the back leg, under the knee. The are given with a scaling motion (around the transversal axis of the hips.) This allows the throwing of the leg.
This motion can be given in the vertical plan: Coup de pied bas de frappe
This motion can be also given in the lateral plan:( exterior toward interior) Coups de pieds bas de desequilibre.

2. Category of "coups de pieds chasses"
Given with the front or back leg. In the "basse", "mediane" or "haute" line., with the heel of the foot in a straight trajectory. using the "piston" motion. The characteristic position is often refereed as "Groupe-Chasse"
There are 2 main categories of Chasse:
"Chasse lateral" with the hips positioned side way.
"Chasse Frontal" with the hips positioned parallel to the opponent.

3. Category of coups de pieds fouettes"
Given with the front or the back leg. in the 3 line (basse, mediane, haute), with the tip of the foot in extension. The movement goes through a position called "Fouet" (whip). The characteristic position is often referred as "groupe-foutte". The final trajectory of the hit must be
-On an horizontal plan for the "mediane" line.
-On the upper oblique plan for the "haute" line.
-On the lower oblique plan for the "basse" line.

4. Category of "coup de pieds en revers"
Given with the front or the back leg using:

-The sole of the foot for the "Revers lateral".
-The external slice of the foot for the "Revers frontal"

There are 2 categories of revers:

-Frontal and Lateral. This is given in a "scale" motion of the hitting leg crossing the support leg from the inside to the outside.

-Revers fouettes:
-Using the method of the "Jambe Tendue"
-Using an aim similar to the groupe chasse, and which is given by a movement of "Piston" and ending with a flexion of the leg. This movement is often referred as "Groupe".

Article V:

Punches are given according to the regulation of English Boxing. Metacarpal area of all fingers are to be used.

There are 4 category of punches:

1. Directs
They are punches given in "direct frontal throw" (jete direct frontal) given in the horizontal plane in a straight trajectory. They are given in the Face, facial area, and frontal and lateral area of the body (corps). They are given with the front arm or the back arm.

2. Crochets
They are punches given in "direct lateral throw" (jete direct lateral) in a circular motion on the horizontal plan. They are given in the Face, facial area, and frontal and lateral area of the body (corps). They are given with the front arm or the back arm.

3. Uppercuts
They are punches given in "direct frontal throw" (jete direct frontal) they are given in the vertical plan in a straight line.They are given in the Face, facial area, and frontal and lateral area of the body (corps). They are given with the front arm or the back arm.

4. Swings
They are punches given in "lateral throw" (balance lateral). They are given in an oblique plan in a circular motion.They are given in the Face, facial area, and frontal and lateral area of the body (corps). They are given with the front arm or the back arm.

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History:
SAVATE DEFENSE : The Original (Genesis)

With the development of Savate Defense, we return to the source and even origin of Savate (Boxe Francaise). Contrary to the sport of Savate BF where the strikes are codified within a set of rules, original savate did not encompass any limitations on techniques. In order to survive a physical confrontation, efficiency and total brutality was the goal in order to incapacitate the aggressor and survive relatively intact. Projections, sweeps, eye gouging, groin strikes, and low line kicks were the essence of this reality based fighting system.

Modern Day:
It is difficult to retrace the exact origins of savate and one cannot say with absolute conviction if it is a result of a mix of styles between Lutte Parisienne and Chausson Marseillais. We know that these styles were used and were written about in documents that proclaim its efficiency in a street fight, particularly the ones in the second half of the 18th century that relate to the exploits of a street fighter turned policeman, the legendary Fran‡ois Vidocq (1775-1857).

Many master savatiers taught the art of savate to people who are now historical figures. A great writer in French literature such as Th‚ophile Gautier was the student of Louis Leboucher. Alexandre Dumas practiced with Master Charles Lecour. Leboucher and Lecour stayed very close to the origin in their teaching methods of savate defense integrating lethal strikes, projections and grappling holds. The era of Charlemont was to begin; he codified, popularized and pioneered savate boxe francaise so that it became a sport fighting system that incorporated only strikes and sweeps.

Hope you like the read.

Best,
Kenton

Props to savatekickboxing Canada for lots of info on the sport.

Jim Roselando
04-28-2006, 08:39 AM
Hey E,


Gotta love the Old Shoe stuff huh!

My buddy Del was good friends with Daniel Duby. Del speaks with gleam in his eye when he talks about his ability. He mentioned that Duby could kick a tele pole with one of the dragging/sweeping front line kicks and Vibrate the pole.

Power!

He told me stories about his fighting ability and love for competition. Cool stuff.


Peace,

Ernie
04-28-2006, 08:50 AM
Hey E,


Gotta love the Old Shoe stuff huh!

My buddy Del was good friends with Daniel Duby. Del speaks with gleam in his eye when he talks about his ability. He mentioned that Duby could kick a tele pole with one of the dragging/sweeping front line kicks and Vibrate the pole.

Power!

He told me stories about his fighting ability and love for competition. Cool stuff.


Peace,

yep Duby is is the man ,,, Both VU and Rob were taught by him :D
it's were i got my kicks from [ no were near there level ]
i got a few private seminars with Duby and it's like watching bruce , and his wing chun is not bad either !

Edmund
04-28-2006, 04:33 PM
that made up for the flexy friend clip. whats the difference in rules with savate and muay thai? i could see the shoes and no knees and elbows saw some good chances for knees to the head in there also whats up with street style vs ring style?

AFAIK, the rules of Savate and Muay Thai are quite different.
No grabbing of the opponent or catching the leg is allowed in savate and no knees.

stricker
04-29-2006, 05:04 AM
thanks for the reading couch.

edmund,
the reason i ask is i wonder how savate guys do vs thai guys. now i know theres conditioning etc and its down to individual fighters but the savate kicks definitely have ko power (niiiice one in that clip) and are way more sneaky for faking the defense non telegraphic etc. is it just the shoes? also what are the savate weakness?

Edmund
04-29-2006, 07:17 AM
edmund,
the reason i ask is i wonder how savate guys do vs thai guys. now i know theres conditioning etc and its down to individual fighters but the savate kicks definitely have ko power (niiiice one in that clip) and are way more sneaky for faking the defense non telegraphic etc. is it just the shoes? also what are the savate weakness?

With no clinching, catching the kick or elbowing and kneeing in Savate, they would have to overcome that under MT rules. In MT, there is on average a lot of more kneeing than any other technique.

Ernie
04-29-2006, 07:32 AM
Savate guys did well back in the day , they have waaaay better footwork and hand work and they also use there version of the low line kick

now some Thai guys are getting good hands ,,, but it would be a came of catch me if you can ,,in the street version of Savate you have use of more tools and take downs ....

but both are great methods ,,, it is a game of rules [game being the pivotal word ]

add in head butts and the game changes and in kicks to the balls and the game changes .... such is the way with sporting events

as far as functional weapons both give great tools to your over all arsenal ,, big c*ck strong young cats will prefer to stalk and give and take so Thai will interest them , lean quick dudes can use the footwork and range of Savate kicks ,,i use both but then again i don' play ring games so I'm not bound by rules ;)

lawrenceofidaho
04-29-2006, 09:04 AM
E,

just an idea...... How about a short video compilation featuring Savate and how it blends in sparring with Wing Chun. Maybe take some of the footage of the guys sparring together and extract out the savate stuff to make a short montage for your webpage.

-L

sihing
04-29-2006, 09:10 AM
Savate guys did well back in the day , they have waaaay better footwork and hand work and they also use there version of the low line kick

now some Thai guys are getting good hands ,,, but it would be a came of catch me if you can ,,in the street version of Savate you have use of more tools and take downs ....

but both are great methods ,,, it is a game of rules [game being the pivotal word ]

add in head butts and the game changes and in kicks to the balls and the game changes .... such is the way with sporting events

as far as functional weapons both give great tools to your over all arsenal ,, big c*ck strong young cats will prefer to stalk and give and take so Thai will interest them , lean quick dudes can use the footwork and range of Savate kicks ,,i use both but then again i don' play ring games so I'm not bound by rules ;)

Interesting, how adding in two elements can change the game allot. Although you have to respect competetors in the NHB arena, as their guts and conditioning is high level, there are still elements to be aware of that are NOT included in these events. I guess like anything you have to take what is useful and discard what is useless for yourself...emmm I wonder where I got that from?:o

I was impressed with your Savate kicks Ernie when you demo'd some of them for Jon and I. I won't even attempt to take on learning that stuff yet, I still got lots to go over with what I have on my table right now..but in the future it looks like fun.

James

stricker
04-29-2006, 01:06 PM
Savate guys did well back in the day , they have waaaay better footwork and hand work and they also use there version of the low line kick

now some Thai guys are getting good hands ,,, but it would be a came of catch me if you can ,,in the street version of Savate you have use of more tools and take downs ....

but both are great methods ,,, it is a game of rules [game being the pivotal word ]

add in head butts and the game changes and in kicks to the balls and the game changes .... such is the way with sporting events

as far as functional weapons both give great tools to your over all arsenal ,, big c*ck strong young cats will prefer to stalk and give and take so Thai will interest them , lean quick dudes can use the footwork and range of Savate kicks ,,i use both but then again i don' play ring games so I'm not bound by rules ;)im on the case of some savate then esp footwork and kicks.

also yup thai now has better hands see dekker or i know a few good thai boxers ;) and yup you gotta love the thai attitude :D

bando is the science of 9 limbs they love the head but. a few people i know have been to the thai vs burmese fights. some crrrraaazzzzy stories...

james, dude your kicking skills are already real real good, get some more functional ones [savate, thai] and youll cause a ton of trouble :cool:

Ernie
04-29-2006, 03:17 PM
E,

just an idea...... How about a short video compilation featuring Savate and how it blends in sparring with Wing Chun. Maybe take some of the footage of the guys sparring together and extract out the Savate stuff to make a short montage for your web page.

-L
honestly
i don't teach them Savate [ i don't feel I'm qualified and i have let my kicking skills really decline over the last few years i just keep the bread and butter kicks functional just in case ;) ]
Savate is a b*tch to learn i spent years doing specific stretches and pin point kicks on the bag [ broke my toe tons of times and will always have slight pain from that now ] i used the wrong type of power and body mechanics [ more Thai style] by the time i got the right feel , damage was done . so what you guys have seen is a very slow and declined skill , it the targeting and illusiveness of the kick that makes hard to pick off .

Thai is much easier to learn and maintain but now my knee has had issues from power kicking for to many years ,,,, again why i keep heading back to wing Chun ,,my body doesn't suffer the same amount of damage and i can still improve even when the other injuries are present !

but this is my journey and adjustments do to age and over training ,

in the attribute class i cover a few of the kicks and in sparring i show the footwork . kicking and bridging tactics , hand and leg set ups ,,, but i give them options from Filipino kicking , Thai or only 3 core Savate kicks ,,, showing that the type of weapon [technique] is really that important it's the relationship you dictate with your opponent , you can insert what ever on the line you set up .

as for video clips ''L'' you know I'm not the shy type but the guys and Gary have asked me to refrain from putting up so much ,,, your fam so if you want some stuff i can make something for you buddy :D

but honesty now i just flow no real distinction from shell to shell .


James - when we get together next we can save a day for some core drills and stretches you can use like Jon said your already limber and have good kicking skills , just need to put it in motion .

Jon i might be out that way in a few months so same for you buddy ;)

if you guys ever really want some good street Savate set up a semoinar with Rob ! and bring a medical kit and everyones new name will be ''canvas back '' as you will be spending most of your time there ;)

Ernie
05-01-2006, 08:26 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eca9UJLjpd0

here is an older style clip

I'm a big fan of high kicks but some of the footwork and low line kicking is nice [ little glimpses here and there ]

savateworld
06-05-2006, 10:20 AM
muay thai kicks are not easier than the savate kicks. all the kicks of savate was created to be efficient to strikre with the shoes on the ring. muay thai strike with the shin, and it's forbiden on the rules of savate.
the rules obliged savate kickboxer to be farer to only kick with the shoes and not with the shin. it's the specialty of savate
if you want more informations about savate : www.savateworld.com or www.bvbfs.fr

Ernie
06-05-2006, 04:29 PM
muay Thai kicks are not easier than the Savate kicks. all the kicks of Savate was created to be efficient to strikre with the shoes on the ring. muay Thai strike with the shin, and it's forbiden on the rules of Savate.
the rules obliged Savate kickboxer to be farer to only kick with the shoes and not with the shin. it's the specialty of Savate
if you want more informations about Savate : www.savateworld.com or www.bvbfs.fr


sorry buddy but i would have to disagree with you big time !!
the flexibility alone required to maintain a truly efficient range of Savate kicks is way more intense then a low line thigh kick or push kick

the hip and knee [ open and present the hip] alignment takes allot of time to cultivate and be able to execute add in the ''aliveness '' of the Savate footwork
and the ability to recoil and fire multiple kicks while in motion and incorporating hand leg set ups ,,,, all way more difficult then Thai kicks and mechanics

there 2 different concepts , ranges and mechanics

love them both ,,,, but maintaining a Thai kick is just allot easier as the years pile on .

also I'm not a fan of box fanchese [SP] sport Savate
i got much more respect for the old Savate [street version ]

but it is a beautiful thing to watch !

AmanuJRY
06-07-2006, 04:05 PM
I was impressed with your Savate kicks Ernie when you demo'd some of them for Jon and I. I won't even attempt to take on learning that stuff yet, I still got lots to go over with what I have on my table right now..but in the future it looks like fun.

Not me, I was impressed as well and my brain has taken to it like a sponge, I can't help it.:D

...so I went and bought Duby's video set.:cool:

Ernie
06-07-2006, 04:15 PM
;)
Not me, I was impressed as well and my brain has taken to it like a sponge, I can't help it.:D

...so I went and bought Duby's video set.:cool:

so if we run into each other again , i should expect a few surprises ;)
but i do have a few private duby seminars and some with Vu !
covering the stuff you don't get on his DVD's so i still might be able to do a little somthin somethin:cool:

sihing
06-07-2006, 07:56 PM
;)

so if we run into each other again , i should expect a few surprises ;)
but i do have a few private duby seminars and some with Vu !
covering the stuff you don't get on his DVD's so i still might be able to do a little somthin somethin:cool:

Hey Hey, don't forget your Canadian friends....:D

AmanuJRY
06-08-2006, 06:30 AM
;)

so if we run into each other again , i should expect a few surprises ;)
but i do have a few private duby seminars and some with Vu !
covering the stuff you don't get on his DVD's so i still might be able to do a little somthin somethin:cool:

Sweet!:cool:

stricker
06-09-2006, 10:23 AM
yeah i was so impressed i got the duby stuff too. E's been spreading the good stuff :D

Stranger
06-19-2006, 07:09 PM
Are there any vids online that show the old-style savate?

Stranger
06-28-2006, 05:32 AM
Are there any MMA fights wherein savate kicks are used? Have any MMA fighters used savate as the striking base of their fighting skills?

AmanuJRY
06-29-2006, 11:44 AM
E,

just an idea...... How about a short video compilation featuring Savate and how it blends in sparring with Wing Chun. Maybe take some of the footage of the guys sparring together and extract out the savate stuff to make a short montage for your webpage.

-L


L,

Check out Vunak's 'energy drills' tape. There are some cool examples and descriptions regarding savate kicks and sparring. Reviewing that with the new Duby videos is quite enlightening.:cool:

Firehawk4
01-26-2007, 09:15 PM
Has anybody practiced Savate if so what is it like ? What about its history and Techiques ? I have 2 books on Savate does anybody know of any books in english on Savate ?

5thBrother
01-27-2007, 06:42 AM
get urself a P2P client...eg. emule and a BitTorrent Client... theres a few docos on savate.. one is from the "deadly arts series" which have an ep on savate....

if u cant i can prolly set up an ftp or webserver for u download that ep from its around 300Mb .. id be SLOW so better if u dl it from somewhere.. but yeah ....

also has a some la canne stuff

so p2p up and look for the deadly arts to start with

Shaolin Wookie
01-27-2007, 09:34 AM
It's French kickboxing, and to me....no offense...it looks really gay.:eek: But then again, so do most French people. (No offense).:D

Black Jack II
01-27-2007, 01:38 PM
I have met a few savate peeps. Including a acquaintance of mine now who I cross hands with on occasion.

Depending on who the player is like any art showcases how good it looks. Personally I think Savate is a excellent combative sport/combative fighting system with a lot of empircal work under its legs.

Here is a wonderfull link on the old school of street savate.

http://www.savateaustralia.com/

MightyB
02-26-2013, 07:40 PM
The mysterious fancy free French kick boxing art practiced by drunken sailors and ***** mongers. It's one of the first full-contact fighting sports and yet it's never discussed. How do the lords of MMA view this kicking fit of fury?

MightyB
02-26-2013, 07:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DazFpQ72E&feature=player_embedded

The Human Weapon's take for you who are unfamiliar with the fancy pants fighting style.

goju
02-26-2013, 10:47 PM
I never liked the way alot of them kick. It looks like its intentionally stiff legged and doesnt have the fluid whip of other styles

MightyB
02-27-2013, 06:50 AM
I never liked the way alot of them kick. It looks like its intentionally stiff legged and doesnt have the fluid whip of other styles

I don't like their pants.

Kellen Bassette
02-27-2013, 08:04 AM
We just don't think of France as a place for martial arts and fighters.
Except Cheick Kongo, of course. :p

Pork Chop
02-27-2013, 10:27 AM
We just don't think of France as a place for martial arts and fighters.
Except Cheick Kongo, of course. :p

two words: Jerome LeBanner
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:D

Fa Xing
02-27-2013, 02:49 PM
I've done Savate before, good art and very mobile. There's a lot of chambering, and it's very much based on maintaining a beat to your movement.

Proper savate kicks very hard, and with very penetrating kicks.

Lucas
02-27-2013, 04:53 PM
We don't talk about it because it's French. No one wants to talk about the French.

And Fa Xing said penetrating!

MightyB
02-28-2013, 06:07 AM
We don't talk about it because it's French. No one wants to talk about the French.

And Fa Xing said penetrating!

and they wear silly pants.


hehehehe Penetrating.

Kellen Bassette
02-28-2013, 06:46 AM
and they wear silly pants.


Shhhhh there might be modern Wushu players around!:p

sanjuro_ronin
02-28-2013, 07:07 AM
Many people don't know that Savate also trains the "walking stick" as a weapon, case in point:
http://www.brolive.org/photo_gallery/photos-skateboarder-5/hubba_wheels_wall_paper_sexy_girls.sized.jpg

mawali
02-28-2013, 07:43 AM
We don't talk about it because it's French. No one wants to talk about the French.

And Fa Xing said penetrating!

Penetyrating French fries, good for what make you fat and USA just loves those fries! Finger licking good, even with the word French in it!

Lee Chiang Po
03-02-2013, 01:18 PM
French Savate is primarily a kicking art, but they also have some pretty good punching techniques as well. They do a lot of dancing like boxers too. I once had a discussion with a fine Savate artist, and he told me that he only kicked high when it was pretty much a guarantee. Mostly low kicks and sweeps, bringing an opponents defenses down to allow hand techniques to be more effective. After all said and done, I think I could have fought him, but would not have really wanted to.

David Jamieson
03-03-2013, 08:09 AM
Savate was created on the decks of French Ships that traveled trade routes in asia in the 16 and 1700s.

The French sailors were fascinated with the Asian fighting styles they witnessed and developed it from that. that is the broad 80.000ft view, but it is more or less what happened. IE: It is not particular to France and was adopted traditions that became particularly French.

MightyB
03-06-2013, 11:07 AM
IE: It is not particular to France and was adopted traditions that became particularly French.

You're talking about those silly pants aren't you.

GeneChing
11-20-2015, 01:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-YPUqYsrjI


I don't like their pants.
Never mind their pants. They got cool hats!

Jimbo
11-04-2020, 08:21 AM
From 1924:


https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=fZ6AN8xOWv0