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  1. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    video of what? if you want the original form of...

    video of what?
    if you want the original form of da luohan (jintong luohan), yes there are many videos. i edited DeJun's video and cut the additional section off of it, so it's now actually the...
  2. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    go here: Playlist: Shaolin Kung Fu combat styles...

    go here:
    Playlist: Shaolin Kung Fu combat styles (YouTube)
    first read the description (click on SHOW MORE),
    then open each video, and click on SHOW MORE below each video to see the description....
  3. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    luohan shiba shou, hong quan, qixing/chang hu...

    luohan shiba shou, hong quan, qixing/chang hu xinyi, pao quan, tong bi quan, guandong quan, mei hua quan, zhaoyang quan, luohan quan, chang quan are shaolin.

    fanzi quan is NOT shaolin, it's a...
  4. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    Dejun's form is the competition form (original...

    Dejun's form is the competition form (original form + 3rd section). no, he learned it from his master SuFa.
    if you cut out the last section of it, it's the original form. the original form is from...
  5. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    on other forms, i have some words to say in next...

    on other forms, i have some words to say in next posts.
  6. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    Shi DeCheng's is also the DengFeng version....

    Shi DeCheng's is also the DengFeng version. DeCheng shows 1 part, Shi DeQi (YouTube) and Zhang Shijie show 2 parts, DeYang and encyclopedia show 3 parts.
    you can identify this DengFeng version by...
  7. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    much for today, about the main styles, animal...

    much for today,

    about the main styles, animal styles, etc., that you've mentioned, let's talk these later, maybe tomorrow.
  8. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    jingang quan?!!! ...

    Shoalin doesn't have a jingang quan itself. the same here, these jingang quans are also random forms from random sources.

    there are several jingang quans:

    1. Deqian's encyclopedia also has a...
  9. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    those are random fake names, it's just tong bi...

    those are random fake names, it's just tong bi quan.
    those luohan forms, other than small and big, all come from the numerous 18-luohan styles made by all those peasant families. any family has made...
  10. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    a note on Dengfeng's 3rd sectionssssss...

    we already talked and said much about Dengfeng people breaking and adding 3rd sections to forms, a few things should be noted here:

    1. such 3rd parts have been added not only to da luohan, but to...
  11. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    da luohan ...

    da luohan is just 1 identity. too many versions come from astray people messing around with the original or with other people so-called versions, adding confusion to confusion.


    well, as already...
  12. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    you're welcome. let's continue. his info...

    you're welcome. let's continue.


    his info mostly comes from what taught in his lineage by his masters. when it comes to Shaolin, even the lineages could be wrong. takes great logic and research...
  13. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    notice that for jin tong xiao luohan there is 1...

    notice that for jin tong xiao luohan there is 1 poplular video, that of Xingsen, from Liu Zhenhai's series.
    Dejun and Deci also do it, but their form has an additional (say 3rd) part at the end....
  14. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    i would recommend stay away from it, like the...

    i would recommend stay away from it, like the plague!
    throw that DVD into a trash bin.

    this version of da luohan (jin tong luohan), which is in Deqian's encyclopedia and is done by Deyang and...
  15. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    oh oh oh, stop, stop! there's originally 2...

    oh oh oh, stop, stop!
    there's originally 2 forms, small luohan and this jin tong xiao luohan, whatever you call it, big luohan or anything. it is not a modern, abridged, mumbled jumbled version of...
  16. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    don't get things complicated, it's simple. da...

    don't get things complicated, it's simple. da luohan is in fact the jin tong xiao luohan. it's traditionally called this way.
  17. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    no. luohan 18 hands has evolved over time. how...

    no. luohan 18 hands has evolved over time. how much? we don't know.
    luohan 18 hands has been extensively reviewed in the Ming dynasty. they increased it into 18 forms. however, in the latter half of...
  18. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    Deyang's, Deyong's, and Encyclopedia's luohan 18...

    Deyang's, Deyong's, and Encyclopedia's luohan 18 hands are the same. except the encyclopedia moves the last elbow strike to the end.
    no big deal. all sources of Shaolin are so messed up.
    ...
  19. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    Djuan, i'm a bit busy now, i'll answer tomorrow,...

    Djuan, i'm a bit busy now, i'll answer tomorrow, though, the question is already very old.
  20. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    you cannot say Miaoxing's luohan has been the...

    you cannot say Miaoxing's luohan has been the holy grail. in fact, Miaoxing, like Degen, Sufa, and many others, had an extensive prior knowledge of folk martial arts before getting into Shaolin....
  21. Thread: Luohan Quan

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    long time, no see, came back...

    well, Miaoxing's poem is for the small luohan form. however, it's just general talking and could well apply to the big luohan form as well, even to the small hong quan, if you want.
    anyway, poems...
  22. 2. in the case of mizong quan, there are at least...

    2. in the case of mizong quan, there are at least 2 absolutely irrelevant things, having nothing, neither historical nor technical, in common, while both are called mizong:

    - the mizong yi or...
  23. ok. turns out the misunderstandings topic i noted...

    ok. turns out the misunderstandings topic i noted was quite related to the subject:

    1. that one instructor's form seems different from others' is most the times not difference, they're doing the...
  24. a bit on misunderstandings...

    not quite related to your questions, but since i mentioned the word "MISUNDERSTANDS", let clear it a bit with some examples. each one of these requires an all-new thread of its own:



    -...
  25. now the first question: "mizong quan"!

    the case of mizong quan is the epitome of what is called "MISUNDERSTANDINGS", which is quite common in Shaolin culture.
    the most common misunderstandings include:

    - misnomers,
    - irrelevant...
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