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    But of course William Cheung learned VT from Yip...

    But of course William Cheung learned VT from Yip man - and had an enormous reputation within the Yip clan for what he was able to do with it.

    The fact that he also learned another system that had...
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    Well I guess Robert Chu picked up something after...

    Well I guess Robert Chu picked up something after all during those two weeks he spent with William Cheung back in 1984 - and whatever TWC vids he's been watching since then - and passed some of the...
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    Since Lou Thesz, Karl Gotch, and Billy Robinson...

    this is the best catch wrestler the world has seen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEFL0dt73g
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    So let me see if I got this right, Paul. TN...

    So let me see if I got this right, Paul. TN blasts TWC, says it doesn't work, details errors in Phil's demo (and there are errors in it)....you acknowledge that the guys that Phil and Rahsun are...
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    ***Amen to that. And without having to show or...

    ***Amen to that.

    And without having to show or discuss any details of what the correct wing chun is going to look like. That's a sweet deal.
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    And my point is that pointing a finger at William...

    And my point is that pointing a finger at William Cheung/TWC...

    and talking about Randy Couture...

    and telling us how you find it easy to deal with very good pure boxers...

    WITHOUT ANY...
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    Like I said - the case is closed. "It's easy...

    Like I said - the case is closed.

    "It's easy to deal with very good pure boxers using wing chun."

    I have no more time to waste on this.

    P.S.- Randy Couture does not use any wing chun.
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    Terence, You did not answer my specific...

    Terence,

    You did not answer my specific question about exactly what happened the last time you sparred a boxer.

    You gave a generic answer.

    And amazingly, you said that it's easy to deal...
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    Let me just cut to the chase, Jim, and address...

    Let me just cut to the chase, Jim, and address this to Terence.

    When using your wing chun, Terence, and when you spar with boxers:

    You say that you punch your way in, and in the process of...
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    Attacking center is "attacking center" Hitting...

    Attacking center is "attacking center"

    Hitting people's arms is "hitting their arms".

    And thanks for sharing the VT method.
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    Watching the elbows and knees...

    watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93hwx8P9So

    William Cheung is so good at this that he makes it look easy. Comes with many years of training where to look, focusing under pressure,...
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    Again, it's about distance. What Gary talks about...

    Again, it's about distance. What Gary talks about with power point exploding (moving the fist first and then the body) - is one way to strike at close range - the wing chun way. Not the only way to...
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    No matter what the criticisms are - legitimate or...

    No matter what the criticisms are - legitimate or not...at least Phil has vids up showing what his wing chun looks like.

    And why are we even talking about this anymore?

    When are people going to...
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    ***Oh how wonderful, and how convenient that this...

    ***Oh how wonderful, and how convenient that this attitude provides a thin veil as to why you never post a vid of yourself doing anything.

    And people on this forum believe this?
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    If you know where to look (elbows & knees) and...

    If you know where to look (elbows & knees) and you've done the differentiation drills I've spoken of on other threads - there is very little reaching for anything when doing good TWC (as opposed to...
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    I already have my thoughts on this, but I want to...

    I already have my thoughts on this, but I want to hear what Frost thinks.

    He believes that unattached striking on the inside is owned by boxers, not by wing chun - while many within wing chun...
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    Originally Posted by free2flow Found this...

    Originally Posted by free2flow
    Found this video of a 3 year old kid doing boxing. I think this kid can give a WC instructor with more that 15 years experience some trouble. LOL.
    ...
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    Again, Terence....I've refuted your attempts to...

    Again, Terence....I've refuted your attempts to discredit TWC's functionality (and William Cheung, ie.- you say he "made it up")...numerous times, and no repeat is necessary. All people around here...
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    There are two reasons why TWC uses blocks and...

    There are two reasons why TWC uses blocks and parries - and none of them have to do with kickboxing. The first is simply defensive: you need to have B's & P's in your arsenal when someone gets an...
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    Joy, You and I disagree about much of these...

    Joy,

    You and I disagree about much of these things - but I respect your point of view. Must say, however, I don't quite know how these motions you speak of that arent always so detectable and...
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    Keith, Lone, You know who: I'm feelin' you...

    Keith, Lone, You know who:

    I'm feelin' you guys. :D
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    I understand. Not a problem.

    I understand. Not a problem.
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    I've explained numerous times how I'm using TWC...

    I've explained numerous times how I'm using TWC centraline principles in order to do this - and therefore the result is waaay more like TWC than JKD.

    And that includes the front kicks and...
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    ***Just watched this for the first time, Frost....

    ***Just watched this for the first time, Frost. My God, you and I are really on the same page, about this anyway! :D

    Anyway, that vid you posted is beautiful, and is reminiscent of numerous...
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    Fedor beats Silva, and then beats Werdum (who...

    Fedor beats Silva, and then beats Werdum (who beat Overeem)...

    Barnett beats Rogers, and then beats Kharitonov (who beat Arlovski)...

    Fedor beats Barnett in the final to take the whole thing.
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