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  1. [QUOTE=Bai Chi;1279236]Revolution? Seems more...

    [QUOTE=Bai Chi;1279236]Revolution? Seems more like opportunists looking to cash in on poorly trained chunners and poorly trained chunners looking for a magic formula.



    Very on point Bai Chi....
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    The Chao family martial temple holds many...

    The Chao family martial temple holds many memento's and artifacts passed down from Lo Kwai dating from his studies with Leung Jan through his teaching of his son and nephews. They and all subsequent...
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    The Wing Chun Master in the picture is Ng Chung...

    The Wing Chun Master in the picture is Ng Chung So.
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    AHHHHHHH! Enough already. I hardly ever come...

    AHHHHHHH! Enough already.

    I hardly ever come here anymore and when I do I see crap like this.

    If you like what Sam does great!

    If you don't like what he does,great!

    There is no Wing...
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    I know both reasonably well. Studied with Phil,...

    I know both reasonably well. Studied with Phil, Matt was a classmate there. Im me for more info if you like
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    It is Yong Chong White crane. White crane from...

    It is Yong Chong White crane. White crane from Wing Chun county . Not wing chun from the red boats. That is why it doesnt look like wing chun. It's not its white crane.
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    It's amusing how silly he makes the "masters"...

    It's amusing how silly he makes the "masters" look when the talking is over.[/QUOTE]


    This is the interesting thing about this series. So far everyone he has sparred a bit with has shown that...
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    Version of Cho Ga

    Version of Cho Ga
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    Ok I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying...

    Ok I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying I said Yip Man returned from from st. Stephans and beat everyone.
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    I have never said anything of the kind anywhere!...

    I have never said anything of the kind anywhere! Never have I ever talked about what Ip Man did when he returned from St. Stephans. I hope you are confusing me with some one else.
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    This is part of the problem of historical martial...

    This is part of the problem of historical martial arts research. The Chinese penchant for nicknames and adoptive names. Moy Yat was just being traditional by giving his disciples a "Moy" family name....
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    Thats great Keith. Give me a heads up and we can...

    Thats great Keith. Give me a heads up and we can get some green chili.

    Lo Kwai is the source from Leung Jan. Chao Ng Kwai was the son of Lo Kwai's nephew.
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    Hunter von Unschuld. Lineage all over the place....

    Hunter von Unschuld. Lineage all over the place. First teacher Richard Chen who was a student of Jui Wan and also one of Moy Yats early disciples. Most time in years spent with Phil Nearing. some...
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    I am with you. Its part of the tradition but if...

    I am with you. Its part of the tradition but if you don't learn it I dont think you miss anything. There are a few interesting Ideas some footwork and different elbows but nothing that doesn't pop up...
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    [QUOTE=KPM;1263123]Hey hunt1! KPM you think...

    [QUOTE=KPM;1263123]Hey hunt1!


    KPM you think this structure is the same as this? Form starts about 55 seconds in.

    Remember, I said "similar" not "same"! ;)

    I don't think they...
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    Kwai family 4th form is basically those concepts...

    Kwai family 4th form is basically those concepts and idea's that did not make it into the 3 standard forms. However many of the concepts became including in our knife and dummy forms. Basically 4th...
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    I have been planning on sending Hendrik a vid of...

    I have been planning on sending Hendrik a vid of the first form and the sections of the dummy that do not have a corresponding section in the Yip Man form. If i can figure out how I will place online...
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    I cleaned out my box.

    I cleaned out my box.
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    Interesting. There are some surprising similar...

    Interesting. There are some surprising similar things but Many differences too. Kwai family has kuit but some I have not seen other places. Focus though has always been on function over form. For...
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    I have no knowledge of Cho Family wing chun and...

    I have no knowledge of Cho Family wing chun and don't recall what Hendrick shown so I can't answer this.

    Kwai family maintains a written history so they do have some comments on LYT teaching but...
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    No. Fung Wah was a friend of Lo Kwai. Lo Kwai...

    No. Fung Wah was a friend of Lo Kwai. Lo Kwai shared his Knife form with Fung Wah but not the same person . Lo Kwai did not go to Taiwan his family did sometime after his death. See link below. Lo...
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    Overall, I think KLPSWCK has more in common with...

    Overall, I think KLPSWCK has more in common with Yuen Kay Shan WCK than it does with Yip Man WCK. Which IMHO, kind of puts a wrench in some of the history theorizing that has been done here.[/QUOTE]...
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    Good points Joy and I tend to agree with you. I...

    Good points Joy and I tend to agree with you. I just am giving the YKS teaching YM chi sau rolling the benefit of the doubt as I don't think it is the major claim. To me it's the advanced techniques ...
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    This post is second part of my above post that...

    This post is second part of my above post that started with problems of memory.

    Another thing to I believe is never let anyone tell you what I see. No ignore the man behind the curtain stuff....
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    Keith, for me to examine WC History we have to...

    Keith, for me to examine WC History we have to understand some basic truths and facts about memory. Eyewitness accounts are actually very unreliable. Studies have shown that 2 people can witness the...
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