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    I personally very much enjoy fencing.

    It's great exercise and a fine discipline to pursue as a martial art and as a sport.

    Ap, I'm sure you will continue to enjoy the practice of it and as you gain skill, so too will your enjoyment level grow. The intricacies of blade work are enormous. It is boundless in it's revelations to the practitioner.

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    Cheers KL.

    I'm sure you're right. I'm already really digging on the tactical peculiarities. I was concentrating last night on not withdrawing the sword as much. In boxing, I'd need to withdraw a jab each time to throw it again, obviously. In fencing, I'm having to get used to the notion that that's not so. By withdrawing, I loose right of way (yeah?) And regardless, I can leave the sword extended and still score a blow by lunging.

    Very obvious to any real fencer, I'm sure. But a bit of realization for me.

    Anyway, after the holidays, the next actual class session starts (though I'll continue going to team practices as well).


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    Originally posted by apoweyn
    Cheers KL.

    I'm sure you're right. I'm already really digging on the tactical peculiarities. I was concentrating last night on not withdrawing the sword as much. In boxing, I'd need to withdraw a jab each time to throw it again, obviously. In fencing, I'm having to get used to the notion that that's not so. By withdrawing, I loose right of way (yeah?) And regardless, I can leave the sword extended and still score a blow by lunging.

    Very obvious to any real fencer, I'm sure. But a bit of realization for me.

    Anyway, after the holidays, the next actual class session starts (though I'll continue going to team practices as well).


    Stuart B.
    Well, you still need to withdraw, just not too far. Don't forget you lose right of way if your attack is parried. It can work against you.
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    Originally posted by joedoe


    Well, you still need to withdraw, just not too far. Don't forget you lose right of way if your attack is parried. It can work against you.
    I guess that's true. The guy that used the 'leave it extended' trick on me was good enough to evade my blade when I tried to parry or beat, and then stabbed me good. If I'd touched his blade, he would've lost right of way, yes?
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    Originally posted by GeneChing
    Probably the most ornate was a Spanish school which emlyed complex footwork patterns in a 'mystic circle'... but eventually died out because it was too complex.
    It's still around!

    Speaking of which, does anyone here do classical or historical fencing?

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    Originally posted by apoweyn


    I guess that's true. The guy that used the 'leave it extended' trick on me was good enough to evade my blade when I tried to parry or beat, and then stabbed me good. If I'd touched his blade, he would've lost right of way, yes?
    I think Gene or someone else would be more qualified to answer this than me. However, if your opponent extends the blade and initiates the attack, then you may parry and riposte. If the ref considers them to have initiated the attack by extending the blade, then I guess it is considered a parry-riposte. Otherwise it would be considered a beat attack. Either way if you contact their blade then initiate your own attack they will lose right of attack and will have to parry your attack or concede the point (provided your attack is successful).

    All this talk of fencing is starting to make me consider taking it up again
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    Originally posted by joedoe
    I think Gene or someone else would be more qualified to answer this than me. However, if your opponent extends the blade and initiates the attack, then you may parry and riposte. If the ref considers them to have initiated the attack by extending the blade, then I guess it is considered a parry-riposte. Otherwise it would be considered a beat attack. Either way if you contact their blade then initiate your own attack they will lose right of attack and will have to parry your attack or concede the point (provided your attack is successful).
    I think that's the crux of it. This guy knew when I went to parry, evaded my blade altogether (so he didn't lose right of way), and stabbed me.

    All this talk of fencing is starting to make me consider taking it up again
    I wouldn't talk ya out of it.
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    Fencing sounds like fun...
    I think Ill just play with some kali sticks for a bit first.
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    Originally posted by Meat Shake
    Fencing sounds like fun...
    I think Ill just play with some kali sticks for a bit first.
    The two are pretty complementary. I started with the kali sticks myself.
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    Found a SCA guy to sparr with.

    ...from The West Kingdom

    Neat.

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    Originally posted by yenhoi
    Found a SCA guy to sparr with.

    ...from The West Kingdom

    Neat.

    Oh you gots to tape that!
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    Originally posted by apoweyn


    I guess that's true. The guy that used the 'leave it extended' trick on me was good enough to evade my blade when I tried to parry or beat, and then stabbed me good. If I'd touched his blade, he would've lost right of way, yes?
    I would mostly echo what joedoe said, but I think you have to do more than just touch his blade---you have to direct it out of line from your target area to legally negate his attack. Just touching his blade wouldn't be enough, as I understand it, if he still subsequently hits his target with the motions of the original attack. Gene?

    "This guy knew when I went to parry, evaded my blade altogether (so he didn't lose right of way), and stabbed me."

    Yep, that's exactly what you want to do from an offensive standpoint. And when you're inexperienced and face a good fencer, he can sometimes KEEP evading your parries with tiny little half-circles, while you flail around helplessly with bigger and bigger, horrendously ugly, windshield-wiper type parries until he finally decides to put you out of your misery . I've had that done to me!

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    Originally posted by Ky-Fi
    I would mostly echo what joedoe said, but I think you have to do more than just touch his blade---you have to direct it out of line from your target area to legally negate his attack. Just touching his blade wouldn't be enough, as I understand it, if he still subsequently hits his target with the motions of the original attack.

    Exactly..... There were times when you can, um, "counter-parry", ie, essentially beat back against their attempt to parry your blade... if you keep your blade in line, you maintain right-of-way....


    I need to find somebody local to fence with......



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    I was watching a small group of them today.

    They look easy to hurt

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    Originally posted by yenhoi
    I was watching a small group of them today.

    They look easy to hurt

    Well, I can offer two opposing thoughts here as commentary......


    A) Remember, fencing today is a sport. You don't have to be big and brawny because you're not *really* trying to run someone through. And, even if a smalller person is somewhat competent, a large person with a lot of power behind a stroke can overpower someone, especially with enough determination (ever see the movie Rob Roy with Liam Neeson?


    B) Looks can be deceiving... although a sport, the modern fencer is often more skilled than the warriors of yesteryear. While they may or may not be mentally perpared to kill someone in a duel, often their skills are such that they are more than capable enough to do so. Opposite of what I said earlier, a smaller-yet-more skilled opponent is going to be the one to beat you instead of some huge fella who's just started.


    SO, it depends......



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