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Thread: Is Shaolin-Do for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    My understanding is (from the Masters) that the correct stance is foot flat. However some people simply cannot do it so heel raised is allowed.

    I can do it but the stance mystifies me. I equate it to a very deep and forward bow stance with a bent knee. The problem is that the stance puts a lot of pressure on my knee and doesn't feel natural at all.
    Right...i've tried it too, and...well, why not just go down on one knee? but we gotta do it how were taught.. ;D
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    That's kind of strange, I've never found it uncomfortable, and I'm pretty sure I've been doing it right....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie View Post
    That's kind of strange, I've never found it uncomfortable, and I'm pretty sure I've been doing it right....
    no, not uncomfortable, but I meant why do you think it was developed or is used as opposed to just kneeling?
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    Maybe I'm different but if I put my knee on the ground (lightly touching or even slightly off the ground) and twist the inside of my foot to lay flat it puts pressure on my knee. There are plenty of people at my school who simply can't do it.

    I also wonder about it in an application. It appears to me that you're in a very vunerable position. In a position that could lead to serious knee injury.

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    One guy at my school showed it (he got cut off before he finished teaching it) as a throw when you've got someone grabbing you from the front.....

    I've want to get to Norcross on a Wed. to get an app for it from......hell, I forget who it was on here.......
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    I'm thinking shoulder control like in the first couple of the 9 Street Fighting Techniques we get, then hopping forward (rather than back), rotating/folding into the broken leg, and throwing the guy over your shoulder. I guess you could do it holding his outstretched arm, as well........but I'm not sure. I'm just guessing 'till I get the real app..... That would explain the flat heel....so if he landed on it, it wouldn't wrench it or break it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie View Post
    I'm thinking shoulder control like in the first couple of the 9 Street Fighting Techniques we get, then hopping forward (rather than back), rotating/folding into the broken leg, and throwing the guy over your shoulder. I guess you could do it holding his outstretched arm, as well........but I'm not sure. I'm just guessing 'till I get the real app..... That would explain the flat heel....so if he landed on it, it wouldn't wrench it or break it.....
    Tha't always been a contentious point for me in my SD training...Not enough applications taught for the form moves...but it IS cool when you figure some out yourself!
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    You know I feel you on that one....

    It's just going to come down to recognition of hte motions we do every day, and the ones we're not spoonfed apps for.......

    Someone wiser than me told me that focusing on one application for the motion often winds up simplifying it in your mind, when myriad things could be done with it.

    The folding up and unwinding of the hands has become my primary method of defense, and I'm getting pretty good at it. If you advance the back foot during the ward off/block/push you get out of the motion (clearing the opponent's punch to the outside, controlling the elbow like an ippon), you can clear the line and get in close enough to do some great punishment. If you do it with a more progressive step, but advance at an ouside angle (again, like an ippon), you can circle back around inside with another step and then land that elbow the bird forms stress, as well as the eye strike........and it gives you a great angle for that elbow to the face or neck....

    I'm dealing with that "many forms, less apps" issue in my own way....by visiting the other SD schools in the area (I'm fortunate to have that option).....but we ought to trade 'em here.....might as well do something other than just shoot the **** and crack jokes......

    Plus, I nab a dude or two in my rank or below before or after class, and I'm like..."Hey, wanna work on some applications?" Generally, it's just me beating them up.... ....and then I'll ask someone better later on, to see if I've gotten the gist of it.....

    Just use your imagination, and you'll be surprised how often you're right.

    Even as we speak, I see my stepping sequence equally applicable for this throw.........oooh....someone's gonna get thrown next week....I wonder who?
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    I WISH I had the option of other schools. Only one in the Tampa area..he knows his stuff, from Texas under Master Shaefer, but I just can't afford to go right now, and kinda far away...school, family, life...., so i work on what I can from notes and such. Try learning a form from just notes...it's hard!! but I picked up night battle broadsword that way,and kwan dao. Even if I do it "wrong", it's still fun, and I'm not as bored!!
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    applications a thought

    Because we cant go back in time and we dont know what changes occured over time there is no "right" when it comes to applications. I have said before the application is dependent upon the attack , the body style of the person utilizing the technique as well as the size and strength of the participant as well as the attacker. Those who look for applications from others are at times taken down the wrong path. Oh sure it will give you a concept to work from, but that does not lead to making the art your own . To do that you must know your own strengths and weaknesses. The same technigue can be used with many attacks and defenses. KC
    PS do not look to others for your own knowledge of applications. that leads to doing instead of being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang View Post
    Because we cant go back in time and we dont know what changes occured over time there is no "right" when it comes to applications. I have said before the application is dependent upon the attack , the body style of the person utilizing the technique as well as the size and strength of the participant as well as the attacker. Those who look for applications from others are at times taken down the wrong path. Oh sure it will give you a concept to work from, but that does not lead to making the art your own . To do that you must know your own strengths and weaknesses. The same technigue can be used with many attacks and defenses. KC
    PS do not look to others for your own knowledge of applications. that leads to doing instead of being.
    "do not look to others for your own knowledge of applications. that leads to doing instead of being."

    Wow...
    Thats exactly the kind of crap I was commenting on earlier. Doing instead of being?
    What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you really expect someone to learn something valuable from watching a form and guessing what everything was supposed to be used for? Especially a novice at martial arts, much less a novice at fighting? This is why SD is considered a joke.
    There is a "right" when it comes to applications, there are specific ways of doing things that must be followed to make your techniques successful and safe for you.
    Everything I learned in shuai chiao was specific within inches, and if it wasnt done exactly right, it was drilled until it was perfect. Thats why I can toss somebody when I **** well please, because it was specific and I learned exactly how I needed to move, how to step, how to grab and pull. Humans learn from humans, so if you dont look for applications from others, who do you look for them from? This is exactly what leads to arrogant first degree black belts with a bunch of "cool moves" that wouldnt work on a drunken teen girl. "Making the art your own" is done by correcting the learned application to fit your specific needs and situational needs, but not by watching a blank movement and guessing what it was supposed to mean.
    Practicing in the way you have just explained is a perfect way to lead to injuries on the behalf of both the person being practiced on and the poor sap that tries to use some wierd ass tiger jump out of a form in a real confrontation.
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    MA have dual purpose. Are you telling me that the technique you were shown on day 1 is done the same way since then ? NO, It changes as does the application of the technique. That is making the art your own adapting to change so I guess you are so perfect that you always perform the technique by the bookand make it work. I guess you are like jim carry " no attackl like this I said". BTW application comes from a knowledge of the body Muscle origin and insertion, joints , nerves and Accupuncture meridians if you dont know that then you only scrach the surface, as far as application is concerned. You are the joke with no understanding of what doing and being means. KC
    Last edited by kwaichang; 02-24-2007 at 07:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang
    that leads to doing instead of being.
    How can you be a technique?
    One can use, do, or perform a jab. One can also jab. But how the hell can someone be a jab?
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    If you think you are doing and by being shown what the technique might be for you are doing. Being is understanding through self knowledge and knowledge of the human body and psychi. and responding as neded .. Techniques can have more than one use the larger understanding of a technique the more apt you are to be able to use it effectively. That is the moment of being. Then you dont think you do. Thus being the technique KC
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    Well sticking with my example of the jab.

    Sure I can use the technique in many ways. I can use it to open a combo. I can use it to keep my distance. These are all different uses of the same technique. I can drill it to the point where it is ingrained in me and I'll use it at appropriate points in combat. No matter how well I can use a jab, I'm still not being a jab. I can be said to use, do, or perform it. I can be said to jab. I can be said to be a great jabber. But I am not a jab. I don't see any logic in what you are saying.

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