Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 102

Thread: the magic of mushrooms

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    local
    Posts
    4,200

    the magic of mushrooms

    mycology is related to all fields of medicine.

    http://www.alternet.org/healthwellne..._and_bird_flu/

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    local
    Posts
    4,200

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Fremont, CA, U.S.A.
    Posts
    44,294

    Slighty OT

    ...or maybe not. WTF is that?

    LOOK: Sichuan fisherman hauls up a mysterious monster from the deep



    A villager from Sichuan province, out fishing in the wild waters near Chengdu, hauled up a very strange thing on Tuesday. It is yellow in color, weighs 6.5kg, its body is 30-40cm wide, there is a long root/tail attached to the body and it is covered in black barnacles.

    As of yet, we cannot be sure what the thing actually is, whether it is indeed a carbon-based life form, living or dead, organic or synthetic. The fisherman believes it may be the rare "Taisui" lingzhi mushroom, used in Chinese medicine and also in art as a symbol of longevity. We happen to know that before you declare something to be a mythical mushroom, you had better run a few tests first. In 2012 a Xi'an TV news reporter mistakenly introduced viewers to the fungus which actually turned out to be a sex toy.



    The Compendium of Materia Medica, written by Li Shizhen during the Ming dynasty, lists the medicinal qualities of the lingzhi mushroom. The lingzhi was later eaten by Qing dynasty emperors, who believed it would prolong their life and bring great fortune to their dynasty.

    Legend has it that Qin Shi Huang, the first Qin emperor who united China in 221 BC and later made himself some pretty neat Terracotta Warriors, greatly feared death and sought to discover the elixir of life. He tried out many medicines searching for immortality including lingzhi. Supposedly his quest for eternal life caught up with him and he died of mercury poisoning, given to him by his court alchemists and physicians.



    If the monster from the deep does turn out to be a 6.5kg lingzhi mushroom then it could bring a handsome profit to the fisherman. There are many, like the ancient Qin emperor, who believe strongly in Chinese medicine. A variety of capsules, liquid extracts and slices of the dried mushroom can be purchased easily online if you want to try your hand at attaining some immortality.



    by Daniel Cunningham
    Contact the author of this article or email tips@shanghaiist.com with further questions, comments or tips.
    By Shanghaiist in News on Oct 1, 2015 5:30 PM
    Gene Ching
    Publisher www.KungFuMagazine.com
    Author of Shaolin Trips
    Support our forum by getting your gear at MartialArtSmart

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Fremont, CA, U.S.A.
    Posts
    44,294

    Kilindi Iyi

    The Hidden Psychedelic History of Martial Arts
    Kilindi Iyi shares his knowledge of magic and martial arts.
    By Lex Pelger / AlterNet
    October 16, 2015



    Kilindi Iyi towers above the other speakers at the psychedelic conferences he attends around the world. One of the most renowned African Americans in the psychedelic field, his background in martial arts, imposing frame and booming voice make him a unique and electrifying speaker on the lecture circuit. His psychedelic storytelling at the last Psymposia conference electrified the crowd and his lecture at the Breaking Convention on taking high doses of mushrooms racked up some of its largest number of online viewers. His message resonates with explorers interested in psychedelics because he stresses their importance as a tool for self-exploration.

    As the head instructor and technical adviser of the Tamerrian Martial Art Institute, his lifelong dedication to martial arts led him to explore their origins and the surprising presence of entheogenic mixtures at the founding of many schools of martial arts. Iyi has traveled the world to learn more from other practitioners, and here he shares a little of what he has learned. The interview has been lightly edited for clarity and length.

    Lex Pelger: How did you move into this kind of work?

    Kilindi Iyi: Through my study of traditional martial arts, I tried to get a better understanding of the origins and through that search, it brought me to different areas of what was utilized to enhance not only the physical but the spiritual areas of the fighting arts. All traditional martial arts have power plants – or entheogens – to go along with them at their higher levels.

    In Africa [there are] many different compounds, potions, lotions – but each guild, each particular master or sorcerer or whatever you wanted to term them, had their own formula. The formula might contain a lot of ingredients that weren't hallucinogenic but when I was investigating, I found that many of them contained mushrooms. And others, of course — datura, echinacea, the old-world MAIOs like Syrian Rue. That's what actually led me to making a push to help people understand their relationship to not only martial arts but also outside it. Basically, through the warriors' path.

    LP: Which traditions had strongest evidence of mushroom use?

    KI: West African places like Nigeria, South Africa, East Africa. There's not a lot of written evidence but the guilds still have all the potions. Africa has been one of the most overlooked areas of the world as far as hallucinogen use and up until the late '90s, they said that Africa was sparse in hallucinogenic compounds. Then only to turn around to find the oldest evidence of human mushroom use in Africa along with other compounds that are widespread in the various healing rituals, age initiations, dealings with apprentices and use by particular people of power. A very old and developed system still in use today.

    LP: So to find out, you have to go and talk to the people?

    KI: The researchers been delving deeply into ayahuasca in South America but they neglected to do any research on the African continent and since they never asked Africans what they use, no one is going to come out of the guild and say, “Hey, we do mushrooms!” They have very ancient traditions with plants and mushrooms that seems to be older than in Mesopotamia, Persia, Hindu Kush – and on the African continent proper – using the technology of MAIOs, particularly Syrian Rue which is at certain doses is hallucinogenic.

    LP: So you dug into ancient magic?

    KI: I've always been interested in magic and martial arts. Once I found out what they did to explore and that brought them the knowledge and information and that it was here and readily available to partake in, then it became not only my duty but my obsession to understand what went on and so I could reproduce the same types of things that were done.

    LP: What things to reproduce?

    KI: My things were basically martial. Each vocation has its own way of expressing something such as a musican who brings back music that's never been heard. I think that's one of the things Jimi Hendrix was talking about in the UK. He said that he was going to bring back to the US music that had never been heard before, but he died soon after.

    Martially, we can still do the things that were done in the olden days— Hercules, Samson, Nimrod, Arjuna, Achilles— martial arts at the level of the heroes of old. Of course, it may not be legally sanctioned to kill 1,000 people—whether they be Philistines or not— but to have an understanding of how these things were done, to recreate the ability for that type of skill or that type of knowledge.

    LP: So you've seen things that defy conventional wisdom on martial arts and what can be done with the body?

    KI: Look at the things coming out of China in the last 10 years, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon stuff—jumping to top of trees, running on blades of grass. If you look at Hero or Jet Li, where the two fighters were in close proximity and under the influence of entheogens, they fought at a higher level of consciousness and their battle continued into the hyper-dimensional realms. Many times that's how battles were fought. You go to the higher realms where a being can come out of your hand or you can jump to the top of the roof, those things were acknowledged in the physical realm.

    LP: What's it like for you in the modern martial arts movement to be sharing these views?

    KI: What I'm working on, I can't physically put it on anybody but I've had my chances in real-life real-time I would have thought impossible that I could've done, that in my belief, in my understanding, that came out of the entheogenic training that served me in the physical realms. Be it guns or knives or police abuse or whatever way you like to look at it, it served me in the modern world.
    continued next post
    Gene Ching
    Publisher www.KungFuMagazine.com
    Author of Shaolin Trips
    Support our forum by getting your gear at MartialArtSmart

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Fremont, CA, U.S.A.
    Posts
    44,294

    continued from previous

    LP: What advice do you have for a young martial artist?

    KI: To begin with, researching any compound you are dealing with. I'm working on my book, Towards an Organic Singularity and in the first chapter, you learn how to grow your own. If you have the discipline to be able to break the learning curve on it and produce your own mushrooms, then you're well on your way to be able to deal with them. You don't have to worry about overharvesting [like ayahuasca or ibogaine] or getting them from someone else. You learn how to grow your own so you can get by using something considered a drug by the popular culture.

    Espcially with tryptamines, they're all in the same family and very close chemically. Psilocin is 4-HO-DMT. People say mushrooms aren't DMT but when it phosphorylates in your gut, it's DMT, an ingestible form to be utilized by your body and independent of all the other things you have to encounter.

    The thing about mushrooms is that you get one spore print or one cap from a cow paddy and you never have to buy another spore or mushroom again. You can perpetuate that into a lifetime of entheogenic use. If you want to explore with MAOIs or chocolate, blend it into smoothies, put them in brownies; put it on two pieces of bread with peanut butter, and if you get the proper dose, it's going to deliver.

    I'm not of the school of thought that mushrooms is a medicine and is for healing. Of course, it can heal, can give you smoking cessation, can help you with dying, but that's not the purpose of psilocybin. It's a tool for exploration for novel states of consciousness. You strap on your exploration suit and you're sitting on the deck of the Enterprise and ready to go boldly where no one has gone before. That's what its about and that what it's for.

    Because we're approaching a crucial point for human beings—we can engineer ourselves and make a machine that has the capability to be much more, of breaking into the human levels of knowledge of information. Either we have created our next level which will make us obsolete or we get to the point where we can merge with those machines and be part machine and part organic or take the enthogens and reach the DNA set code and become the next level of humans.

    Let's go in and see what we can do to become more then what we are now.

    LP: What advice do you have for crafting set and setting for these heroic doses?

    KI: The classics, a safe environment; I choose the bedroom for the deep hauls into the multiverse. Take all sharp objects out of the room. No candles, fire can be very seductive. You don't want to knock one over in a middle of session.

    You also want to be in a good safe mindset. You don't want to just have had a fight with your wife. You want to keep your mind as clear and focused on what you're trying to do as possible.

    The walks in the woods or the ocean is for the low dose. But for the high doses, for those type of things, you want a safe environment and the right type of mindset on your head.

    For the new folk, what I always say since I've been crowned the high-dose guy, is to start low and work up incrementally. It's not a race. It's not an ego trip to see who can do the most. It's a true journey to understand what this thing is as far as the human spirt or soul – where it's at and where it's going.

    LP: What challenging encounters have you seen?

    KI: One of the most challenging areas is the realization of the aloneness. The realization of the darkness, no light. The realization that those are constructs of the conciouness. Once you lose the primal consciousness and move into that primal darkness that's so dark it has no black to it. That's one of the hardest things.

    LP: Where has that journey taken you now as an activist and teacher?

    KI: I'm moving onto the lecture circuit to share that this is a valid area of exploration. They say, Well, he's a martial artist – what's he doing talking about drug things? I'm trying to help the greater community and the martial arts community and the entheogenic community and have them look at what they're doing and what they're trying to box these drugs into.

    LP: Do you get pushback from these communities for these unconventional views?

    KI: Some think I'm crazy. Some think I'm just a druggy. Some say, He thinks he has magic powers because of the drugs. But now I'm getting invited to conferences and people are watching my Youtube videos. At Breaking Convention 2013, there's a lot of luminaries there with maybe 500 or 1200 views, and I'm not saying this out of ego, but I have more than 10,000 [for the talk, "High-Dose (31 Grams) Psilocybin Mushrooms Ayahuasca DMT LSD Transdimensional Hyperspace"]. This guy that they stuck at 10am the morning after the big party still has the most views. People look at that and realized that they need him to come to our conference. All of this might sound kind of far-fetched, but people are listening.

    Lex Pelger is a writer, scientist and Shulginist. Read his work at lexpelger.com.
    Iyi needs to watch this:
    Gene Ching
    Publisher www.KungFuMagazine.com
    Author of Shaolin Trips
    Support our forum by getting your gear at MartialArtSmart

  6. #6
    Greetings,


    Thank you for bringing forth that interview. Gene. It proves that guy is full of chit. He completely bailed when questioned about how the mushies improved his martial abilities. And the interviewer just let it go by. If all he can do is talk about mushies and what is shown in the movies, then the mushies are a waste of time.

    When he talks about the areas of Africa that use, he keeps it general. Looking African does not make you a sudden initiate with instant access to the secrets. People in this country have been hurt enough because of drugs. I hope they can see through this game that Iyi and others are putting forth.

    mickey
    Last edited by mickey; 10-23-2015 at 12:06 PM.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    local
    Posts
    4,200

    funny fungus and your martial art

    i have had two periods of training this past few days where i have ingested magic mushrooms... i spent the better part of two hours each session doing bagwork, uncovering strategies, plotting chaos, building form, and so forth... i have found that the heighted perceptions of the mushrooms is much like how catnip affects cats... i was finding combos of roundhouse to headbutts, to elbows, to sidekicks, to you name it i found it kinda combos(they we're purely random - i was in a zone) i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of expertise in the matter. i am convinced that magic mushrooms are like the secret ingredient to all good kung fu.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Augusta, GA
    Posts
    5,096
    I prefer to keep my mind clear... not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.
    The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
    ~ Mark Twain

    Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.
    ~ Joe Lewis

    A warrior may choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.
    ~ Author unknown

    "You don't feel lonely.Because you have a lively monkey"

    "Ninja can HURT the Spartan, but the Spartan can KILL the Ninja"

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Posts
    543
    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    I prefer to keep my mind clear... not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    Talking about what entheogens do to your practice is looking at it the wrong way.

    You should be looking at what practice does to your entheogenic experiences.

    This is a common mistake people make.. they say things like
    "Well can use of this or that make my yoga practice better... or can this or that make my writing better or my running better".

    This is what I call a "altered state - prejudicial" point of view (much like subtle racists bias in a way.. people grow up with it and never know it's even there.. like a fish in water). It assumes that the entheogens need some justification.. and maybe their effect on this other skill is the justification (or conversely that it isn't).

    This is ass-backwards IMO!

    The altered states are valuable and interesting on their own terms. Use all the life tools at your disposal to explore them in a mindful, mature, and responsible fashion.

    A friend of mine once spent 6 straight hours doing sinawali on ecstacy on a hot summer night. I asked him how the sinawali felt? He said "that's not the point.. it was a great roll".

    Now if people want to discuss the effects of training on the trip.. that's a discussion we can have.. but discussing the tripping's effects on training.. that's not very productive to me.
    Last edited by dimethylsea; 03-29-2010 at 03:42 PM.
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
    -Bi Tianzou -

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Canada!
    Posts
    23,101
    Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.

    You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking won't teach you singing, running won't teach you language and drugs don't reveal anything to you that wasn't there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.



    Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900's. there's your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Posts
    543
    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.

    You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking won't teach you singing, running won't teach you language and drugs don't reveal anything to you that wasn't there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.



    Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900's. there's your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.

    Wow.. I was under the impression that "drug usage in tandem with martial arts" was what professional wrestling and MMA was all about.

    Oh wait that's STEROIDS. But those are drugs. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs right?

    Well apparently not cause there is steroids, and painkillers, and stimulants and then you have all the many varieties of entheogens.

    Drugs is a "label" that includes many many different kinds of substances. The only thing they have in common is they all affect the body in some manner.

    There is a vast difference between the sort of drugs that have effects primarily on the body's metabolism or body function, and those whose primary effects are on the neurophysiology, brain, mental states and perception.

    Conflating the one (which should be used for medical reasons when used at all) and the other (which has nothing to do with "medicine" per say, and have entheogenic effects) is pretty pointless. Unless you just want to scream
    "Drugs are bad.. JUST SAY NO!".
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
    -Bi Tianzou -

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Midgard
    Posts
    10,853
    a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    local
    Posts
    4,200
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.
    how did you know the devil was on peyote??

    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of expertise in the matter.
    just incase there were any discrepancies in ones grammatical comprehension skill.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Midgard
    Posts
    10,853
    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    how did you know the devil was on peyote??
    the look in his eye
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Fremont, CA, U.S.A.
    Posts
    44,294

    Ever research the external dan?

    I've gone toe-to-toe with countless people who are tripping, certainly more than everyone else has on this forum combined. I've discussed it a little on this forum, but if you need a refresher, check out my initial Shaolin Trips installment: Episode One: Open Two Doors. And it's true, trippers can have heightening sensory and physical abilities. Sometimes it's really amazing what some one on acid can do.

    But people on drugs also fall prey to delusion. You don't know how many people we've taken down because they were just too distracted to focus on multiple opponents, or because they were chasing some psychedelic will-o-wisp. I'll never forget when a tripper tried to give one of my partners a death touch. It was hysterical. He yelled 'die!' with such conviction. He was also a scrawny little dude, smaller than me, and my partner was a professional prison psych nurse that stood about 6' 1". Talk about your delusions.

    I think I've recommended Zig Zag Zen to your before, uki. The conclusion of most of the essays is the same - practitioners who indulge in psychedelics often progress faster at first, but then they plateau and never reach advanced levels. That stands to reason. If you're used to dropping acid to get your results, then you will lack the discipline necessary to get to the next levels and you will have little left when the drugs wear off.

    Throughout history, the Chinese, particularly the Daoists and TCM people, have done extensive research in psychedelics, especially mushrooms. Think about it. What culture eats more mushrooms than the Chinese? Some think that the mushroom of longevity was actually a metaphor for psychedelics. I could see that. Daoists did extensive research trying to find the external dan, which was essentially the philosopher's stone (same dan as in dantian). But they abandoned that for internal dan (qigong practices). They concluded that most external dan led to poisons of the mind. That was centuries ago. uki, if you think you're charting something new with psychedelic mushrooms and martial arts, you're deluded. Do your research. You'll find there are many who have traveled that road before with lackluster results.
    Gene Ching
    Publisher www.KungFuMagazine.com
    Author of Shaolin Trips
    Support our forum by getting your gear at MartialArtSmart

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •