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    the magic of mushrooms

    mycology is related to all fields of medicine.

    http://www.alternet.org/healthwellne..._and_bird_flu/

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    funny fungus and your martial art

    i have had two periods of training this past few days where i have ingested magic mushrooms... i spent the better part of two hours each session doing bagwork, uncovering strategies, plotting chaos, building form, and so forth... i have found that the heighted perceptions of the mushrooms is much like how catnip affects cats... i was finding combos of roundhouse to headbutts, to elbows, to sidekicks, to you name it i found it kinda combos(they we're purely random - i was in a zone) i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of expertise in the matter. i am convinced that magic mushrooms are like the secret ingredient to all good kung fu.

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    I prefer to keep my mind clear... not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    I prefer to keep my mind clear... not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    Talking about what entheogens do to your practice is looking at it the wrong way.

    You should be looking at what practice does to your entheogenic experiences.

    This is a common mistake people make.. they say things like
    "Well can use of this or that make my yoga practice better... or can this or that make my writing better or my running better".

    This is what I call a "altered state - prejudicial" point of view (much like subtle racists bias in a way.. people grow up with it and never know it's even there.. like a fish in water). It assumes that the entheogens need some justification.. and maybe their effect on this other skill is the justification (or conversely that it isn't).

    This is ass-backwards IMO!

    The altered states are valuable and interesting on their own terms. Use all the life tools at your disposal to explore them in a mindful, mature, and responsible fashion.

    A friend of mine once spent 6 straight hours doing sinawali on ecstacy on a hot summer night. I asked him how the sinawali felt? He said "that's not the point.. it was a great roll".

    Now if people want to discuss the effects of training on the trip.. that's a discussion we can have.. but discussing the tripping's effects on training.. that's not very productive to me.
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    Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.

    You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking won't teach you singing, running won't teach you language and drugs don't reveal anything to you that wasn't there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.



    Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900's. there's your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.
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    a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.
    how did you know the devil was on peyote??

    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of expertise in the matter.
    just incase there were any discrepancies in ones grammatical comprehension skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    how did you know the devil was on peyote??
    the look in his eye
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.

    You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking won't teach you singing, running won't teach you language and drugs don't reveal anything to you that wasn't there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.



    Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900's. there's your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.

    Wow.. I was under the impression that "drug usage in tandem with martial arts" was what professional wrestling and MMA was all about.

    Oh wait that's STEROIDS. But those are drugs. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs right?

    Well apparently not cause there is steroids, and painkillers, and stimulants and then you have all the many varieties of entheogens.

    Drugs is a "label" that includes many many different kinds of substances. The only thing they have in common is they all affect the body in some manner.

    There is a vast difference between the sort of drugs that have effects primarily on the body's metabolism or body function, and those whose primary effects are on the neurophysiology, brain, mental states and perception.

    Conflating the one (which should be used for medical reasons when used at all) and the other (which has nothing to do with "medicine" per say, and have entheogenic effects) is pretty pointless. Unless you just want to scream
    "Drugs are bad.. JUST SAY NO!".
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimethylsea View Post
    Wow.. I was under the impression that "drug usage in tandem with martial arts" was what professional wrestling and MMA was all about.

    Oh wait that's STEROIDS. But those are drugs. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs right?

    Well apparently not cause there is steroids, and painkillers, and stimulants and then you have all the many varieties of entheogens.

    Drugs is a "label" that includes many many different kinds of substances. The only thing they have in common is they all affect the body in some manner.

    There is a vast difference between the sort of drugs that have effects primarily on the body's metabolism or body function, and those whose primary effects are on the neurophysiology, brain, mental states and perception.

    Conflating the one (which should be used for medical reasons when used at all) and the other (which has nothing to do with "medicine" per say, and have entheogenic effects) is pretty pointless. Unless you just want to scream
    "Drugs are bad.. JUST SAY NO!".
    yeah, well you and hop head over there just go ahead and drop acid and train.



    So now you advocate hallucinogenic or recreational drug use in martial arts?
    Get real man.

    I don't use steroids, or any other performance enhancing drugs. But they are completely and utterly different than what uki is going on about.

    So are you going to champion drug abuse and martial arts as some sort of learning path that someone can benefit from?

    well? make the argument then. Or look at it for what it is.
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    Ever research the external dan?

    I've gone toe-to-toe with countless people who are tripping, certainly more than everyone else has on this forum combined. I've discussed it a little on this forum, but if you need a refresher, check out my initial Shaolin Trips installment: Episode One: Open Two Doors. And it's true, trippers can have heightening sensory and physical abilities. Sometimes it's really amazing what some one on acid can do.

    But people on drugs also fall prey to delusion. You don't know how many people we've taken down because they were just too distracted to focus on multiple opponents, or because they were chasing some psychedelic will-o-wisp. I'll never forget when a tripper tried to give one of my partners a death touch. It was hysterical. He yelled 'die!' with such conviction. He was also a scrawny little dude, smaller than me, and my partner was a professional prison psych nurse that stood about 6' 1". Talk about your delusions.

    I think I've recommended Zig Zag Zen to your before, uki. The conclusion of most of the essays is the same - practitioners who indulge in psychedelics often progress faster at first, but then they plateau and never reach advanced levels. That stands to reason. If you're used to dropping acid to get your results, then you will lack the discipline necessary to get to the next levels and you will have little left when the drugs wear off.

    Throughout history, the Chinese, particularly the Daoists and TCM people, have done extensive research in psychedelics, especially mushrooms. Think about it. What culture eats more mushrooms than the Chinese? Some think that the mushroom of longevity was actually a metaphor for psychedelics. I could see that. Daoists did extensive research trying to find the external dan, which was essentially the philosopher's stone (same dan as in dantian). But they abandoned that for internal dan (qigong practices). They concluded that most external dan led to poisons of the mind. That was centuries ago. uki, if you think you're charting something new with psychedelic mushrooms and martial arts, you're deluded. Do your research. You'll find there are many who have traveled that road before with lackluster results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    yeah, well you and hop head over there just go ahead and drop acid and train.



    So now you advocate hallucinogenic or recreational drug use in martial arts?
    Get real man.

    I don't use steroids, or any other performance enhancing drugs. But they are completely and utterly different than what uki is going on about.

    So are you going to champion drug abuse and martial arts as some sort of learning path that someone can benefit from?

    well? make the argument then. Or look at it for what it is.
    You obviously didn't read my first post on this thread. I am not the slightest bit interested in the notion of doing entheogens and training for the sake of training.

    The training can be extremely useful in the context of entheogen use, but it has nothing to do with furthering the training. It's about making the most of the experience within the context of the experience.

    People who make the broad pronouncements you do only tell everyone that they haven't had the experience and thus are not qualified to discuss the experience in detail. It's like someone talking about the dangers of driving whose never been behind the wheel themselves.
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
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    So using your description, I have to drive drunk to understand that it's dangerous?

    Maybe I need to use cocaine to know it's addictive and deadly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    So using your description, I have to drive drunk to understand that it's dangerous?

    Maybe I need to use cocaine to know it's addictive and deadly?
    If you haven't ever driven and you haven't ever been drunk (neither one) then you saying "drunk driving is dangerous" is merely a recitation of a fact without a real first-hand understanding of why.

    And as far as needing to use cocaine to understand it's addictive nature.. yes you do. Relating a fact is not the same as understanding it first-hand.

    People who haven't "seen the elephant" shouldn't expect others to take their broad pronouncements as anything other than them parroting or reciting things (arguably true perhaps) they have been told by others or read.

    Entheogens are perhaps even more like this than many other experiences.. precisely because of the fundamental alterations they can make in one's consciousness and perceptions (albeit temporarily).

    But feel free to comment on the potential hazards of excessive precipitation when you've never seen and felt the rain fall. Those who have.. chuckle.

    Uki,
    Back to your original issue.. set and setting is a critical factor. Also fungus tend to have a different intensity/effect pattern than some of the other entheos (as the saying goes.. it comes and it goes, then it comes and it goes repeatedly) instead of the ascent, peak, decline pattern.

    Fungus "projects" are better structured around a given amount of minutes rather than having "three things to play with" in the area plus a comfy spot for the peak and recharge toys for the downside like you might do with some other entheos.

    One thing you might also try is unifying the experience with a central motif or theme, marking out the dedicated time symbolically, then focusing on some very specific element to work on. Preferably something with as little variety as possible (the fungus will provide lots of variety all by itself). A single circular movement, or a single elbow. Don't let yourself get distracted.. just play with that one single thing for the alloted time (say 20 minutes or so). Set the timer, your internal chronometer will (obviously) be completely wonky.
    "The first stage is to get the Gang( hard, solid power). every movement should be done with full power and in hard way, also need to get the twisting and wrapping power, whole body's tendon and bones need to be stretched to get the Gang( hard) power. "
    -Bi Tianzou -

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