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    TCMA or MMA?

    This clip has been put out there, showing a successful straight blast attack, Belfort v Silva

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1dh_...layer_embedded

    Anybody out there not see a TCMA influence in there? Where did that technique come from? Watching the footwork too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yum Cha View Post
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    Anybody out there not see a TCMA influence in there? Where did that technique come from? Watching the footwork too.
    ummmmm... something to do with a guy who has long white eyebrows??

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    This is one of my favor daily training drills. I'll punch like a crazy man on my heavy bag as hard as I can, and as fast as I can until I'm totally exhausted (about 60 punches). I then rest for 1 minute and repeat the same drill 2 more time. I believe it's a very good investment for my training time. I don't know it's good for "health" or not. Someone said it may not be good for my heart if I get too excited like this everyday. IMO, training like this should not have any "style boundary" at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yum Cha View Post
    Anybody out there not see a TCMA influence in there? Where did that technique come from? Watching the footwork too.
    Every n00b martial arts person that's ever done bow and arrow stance reverse punch line drill has done that attack.

    But there's a big difference between doing a line drill and being able to take someone out with the attack.

    That's the difference between form and application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    I don't know it's good for "health" or not. Someone said it may not be good for my heart if I get too excited like this everyday. IMO, training like this should not have any "style boundary" at all.
    That's good interval training for cardio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Every n00b martial arts person that's ever done bow and arrow stance reverse punch line drill has done that attack.

    But there's a big difference between doing a line drill and being able to take someone out with the attack.

    That's the difference between form and application.
    Training generally takes you from form to application. I think its a nice example of how a TCMA technique, if trained and applied properly, can indeed be imminently practical.

    And thus by inference make the point that there are lots of TCMA techniques that are indeed practical, if trained and applied properly. People want to see TCMA working, I think this is pretty good. The other vid of the Aussie SPM guy going full contact and taking the guy out makes for another good one.

    I'm kinda saying to the TCMA guys too, if you can't get stuck into it like that, you need to lift your game.
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    the clip shows the same thing we do in our hung sing choy lee fut....we call it running chop choys...............
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    Not in a Wing Chun stance.

    Not vertical punches.

    It's not "TCMA influenced" unless TCMA was the first to come up with the idea of punching repeatedly while walking forward.

    That being said, I trained at a Straight Blast Gym (MMA, no relation to JKD or WC, http://www.straightblastgym.com/) and one day I asked "why is it called Straight Blast? There's no Wing Chun here and there's no chain punching" and I was told it was named after the MMA version of straight blast, which is pretty similar to what was shown in that clip (basically repeatedly throwing crosses while rushing forward at your opponent).

    I suppose that would be "TCMA influence" since the name and concept were taken from WC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist View Post
    Not in a Wing Chun stance.

    Not vertical punches.

    Simply punching repeatedly while moving forward does not automatically = wing chun chain punches, but I'm sure the TCMA guys here will say "omg he's using sound wing chun principles because he's throwing punches therefore it's wing chun!"
    LOL, do ya reckon?? I just saying there is a general example of this kind of repeated, elbow down 'jabbing' across a bunch of TCMA.
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    I ninja edited my post. Go read it again.

    My final answer is: I sort of agree there is TCMA influence there (although not for the reasons the TCMA guys on this forum will think, because they will say "omg he's using sound wing chun principles because he's throwing punches therefore it's wing chun!").
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    Also done in Hop-Ga/Bak-Hok/Lama chuen choy.
    I learned them from Sifu David Rogers (Rising Crane)
    We drill them stationary first, shifting side to side (arms extended)
    Then with stepping(arms still extended) until the students can go faster
    Once the structure is learned, you can now bring the guard up to cover the head,
    and run it.
    It is move for move, identical.


    now some db is going to say,
    "You can teach the same technique without all the TCMA mumbo jumbo."

    yeah, good...stfu.
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    as a matter of fact, I use that exact fight to use as an example.

    You have to. When you are practicing the drills across the floor, you feel kinda silly.
    Then they see the video, and go,"Ohhhhh...cool!"
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    so to make kung fu work, you have to not train kung fu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist View Post
    I ninja edited my post. Go read it again.

    My final answer is: I sort of agree there is TCMA influence there (although not for the reasons the TCMA guys on this forum will think, because they will say "omg he's using sound wing chun principles because he's throwing punches therefore it's wing chun!").
    Yea, fair enough, he's just taken a concept and made it work.
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    so to make kung fu work, you have to not train kung fu?
    what is kung fu?
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