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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    I only really posted this because I was amused by the chief minister's name.
    That's funny it's spelled that way. I've seen Dixit (as in Madhuri Dixit), which is pronounced that way.
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    I am having trouble imagining this...........I am picturing the rapist now being attached to his victim..............both stuck together kind of like when dogs do it.......if this is correct then I am not sure this would be a good thing for the victim as they would be stuck with their attacker till surgery

    Of course, if it is somehow removable by the victim and stays stuck on the attacker then that would be another story. Imagine having to walk around with this thing stuck on you until you could get to a hospital.
    Of course it doesn't stay in the woman. Think of it like a plastic test tube that is smooth on the outside but barbed on the inside. They push in easily enough, and when they pull out the whole thing goes with them. And then they have a decision to make. Take their chances with their tool box or go to the hospital and explain themselves.


    Like I said before, not sure how a guy would not notice this thing, but it seems to have some promise. Again, if I come across the article, I will post it up.

    That whole medieval torture angle appeals to many. If anyone deserves it...

    In the US a rapist would sue the victim.

    In India, walking into a hospital would be far more preferable than dealing with an angry mob who found out. Often the accusations are made but they just deny it and that's that. Ain't no denying it when they have this thing stuck to them. So not only does it employ a sort of swift retribution, but it also functions like a dye pack. Marked! Even if they get it off, they still have to explain the unique wounds. So while it's main purpose is defense, it does act as a device for creating some pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

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    Okay, that sounds cool and appropriate.

    I have three dogs and one just went into heat so the image of two being stuck together was in my head already. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sihing73 View Post
    Okay, that sounds cool and appropriate.

    I have three dogs and one just went into heat so the image of two being stuck together was in my head already. LOL
    lol

    That would be absolutely horrible. Being stuck to your rapist by some badass contraption that hurts you both. Not a good look.

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    Neetu

    Neetu’s petition to make martial arts compulsory for girls
    Hiren Kotwani, TNN Aug 25, 2013, 12.00AM IST


    (Neetu Chandra )

    In the wake of the recent gangrape of a 22-year-old photojournalist in Mumbai, actress Neetu Chandra has filed an online petition asking the Government of India to make martial arts training compulsory for girls from classes 4 to 12.

    Neetu is a 4th Dan black belt in Taekwondo and has represented India at the Asian level twice. The actress, who is supported by an NGO in this cause, asserts that martial arts training will "give our girls self-confidence, a sense of security and the willpower to fight back instead of surrendering meekly when shown a knife or a gun."

    The petition states, "It might not train them to use a gun or carry a knife, but it will certainly give them the voice to scream, teeth to bite and limbs to pack a punch on the face of her tormentor, and bounce back when he is trying to force himself on her."

    She adds, "It's time we unite to affect a change in people's mindset and get the authorities to act seriously."
    Neetu Chandra is someone to watch.




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    Follow the link

    There's a video there that is well worth your attention.
    The World Before Her: women learning to kill or wear a bikini in India - video extracts

    Extracts from award-winning film-maker Nisha Pahuja's new feature-length documentary, The World Before Her. Pahuja's film examines the contradictory realities between a Hindu nationalist training camp where girls are trained to kill in self-defence and the bikini-clad women of the Miss India pageant. Tradition and modernity are on collision course


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    Just wait for the opportune moment...

    love the language in this article

    Learning self-defence, this time the martial arts way
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    The Hindu Students participating at self defense training camp for girl organised by A.P.Balala Hakkula Sangham in association with Indian Academy of Martial Arts in Hyderabad. -- PHOTO: G. RAMAKRISHNA

    Martial arts experts share tips with girls of Mahbubiya Govt. School on self-defence

    If someone tries to grab you from behind, do not panic. Just wait for the opportune moment and go for the solar plexus located below the chest and above the stomach with maximum force that you can muster. This will ensure that you have stunned and knocked the wind out of the attacker. Take a quick punch at the throat or the eyes of the attacker which will buy you some time. Be aware of your surroundings and do not get bullied by anyone.

    Such instructions on self-defence from martial art experts came thick and fast like the fierce punches thrown by girls at Mahbubiya Government Girls High School on Monday. The school campus echoed with the intense shouts of over 150 girls, who learnt a few tricks on how to land a punch with strength and power onto the attackers.

    The enthusiastic girls quite eagerly lined up to learn the tricks to fight and defend. “They told me that if I learnt self-defence techniques, I would not get intimidated by strangers, and that it would also enhance my self-confidence. Such classes should be a regular affair in schools,” says Fathima Begum, a class IX student.

    Hyderabad District Education Officer (DEO) Subba Reddy, who inaugurated the self-defence training camp organised by Balala Hakkula Sangham, assured girls that he would strive to include martial arts in the curriculum. “Such training camps on self-defence should be organised in all parts of the State,” he said.

    Some trained girl students presented slick karate moves for the uninitiated. “I am planning to join karate classes as I think it will make me more confident in dealing with tough situations. It will be easier for us if they organise such programmes in our schools,” said T. Padma, another student. A.P. Balala Hakkula Sangham president Achyuta Rao said efforts were on to organize such camps throughout out the State.
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    Slightly OT

    Anyone know anything about Tolpar?

    Akshay in favour of martial arts training for kids
    Niticentral Staff29 Apr 2014



    Actor Akshay Kumar who is known for his stunts and action feels that training of martial arts should be made mandatory in all the schools, as self defence is important for everyone.

    “I urge the Government to make it compulsory for boys and girls. I look forward to that day where every student compulsorily learns martial arts in schools for at least three years and martial arts becomes more famous than cricket. It is my dream,” Akshay said during a workshop on Russian knife fighting system called Tolpar.

    In China and Singapore, martial arts training is a must and after the programme, a certificate would be handed over, recalled Akshay, who has appeared in more than 100 films in Bollywood.

    In association with Mumbai Police and a team of Russian martial arts experts, NGO Mukti, founded by Smita Thackeray, organised a one-day Tolpar training event at Naigaon police grounds in central Mumbai on Monday.

    As many as 35 female police constables and Mukti’s 12 female marshals, who guard Western Railway locals, underwent the day-long fighting technique using a small knife.

    “It’s a very big initiative by Mukti foundation. A woman should take care of herself. I think for knife fighting you do not need power but you need to be intelligent to tackle the situation. I am sure this technique will be helpful for those undergoing training,” the actor said.

    He also spent time with the Tolpar experts and practised moves with them, learning the nuances of the art.

    Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad chief Himanshu Roy extolled the initiative saying “Each woman should stand up for herself and not fear offenders. This specialised training empowers her and we would like every woman to train to be empowered to protect herself.”

    Smita Thackeray said, “Tolpar training aims at empowering the female personnel, that is both the cops and our NGO marshals, whose task is to take care of women.”

    “The Russian Tolpar experts work on empowering police and army, the globe over. When Mukti marshals got this opportunity, we wanted the women cops to benefit from it and are glad the Mumbai Police agreed to the same,” she said.
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    Sadly, as many of us know, it's 1 person in 100 or more that can actually develop a viable skill and it takes time.
    While I like the idea that martial arts is being promoted, is it an effective defence for a woman against multiple rapists?
    Not as much as having children learn the value of another human being or young men being actively taught to be protective instead of abusive of those who are weaker in society.

    I don't see this story as much more than feel good stuff that is not going to work in reality in any viable way towards a solution to the issue of rape.
    It hasn't worked here in North America, or anywhere else for that matter and it keeps getting trotted out.

    Teach your children well. That is the solution. Give us the boy, we give you the man. That's the way forward with this issue in my point of view.
    a 120 pound girl will not karate chop a group of criminal thugs. It ain't gonna happen, it only happens on TV or in movies and the evidence to show it's ineffectiveness is staggering and the size of a mountain. Rape is a real problem since the dawn of time and we seem to stupidly visit the well of fire vs fire over and over again. I don't get it.
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    Don't mistake 'viable skill' with simple self defense

    Honestly, I see a lot of martial artists get so wrapped up in themselves - martial myopia I like to call it - that they lose perspective. The ol' multiple attackers issue - frankly, anyone can ramp up a street scenario to something that's a no-win. It's like the Kobayashi-Maru in Star Trek. What if you're attacked by a hundred zombies? Will your ground fighting save you then? It's preposterous. That being said, there are some decent martial-arts-based self defense programs for women, stuff like Model Mugging, which are reality-based and useful. They aren't going to build any MMA champs, but they do teach basic skills that can work on the streets. Heck, I teach basic self-defense for emergency medical response and I've had plenty of students come back to me and say "I got to use that. It worked!" Keep it simple. It's a start.

    Women Turn to Martial Arts for Self-defence
    By Santhosh Christy - PERINTHALMANNA
    Published: 08th May 2014 09:35 AM
    Last Updated: 08th May 2014 09:35 AM

    Onlookers were stunned to see a 12-year-old girl attacking a 60-year-old woman with her skills in martial arts. More surprising was the 60-year-old defending each attack with the same martial arts techniques. Anyone passing along the Government Girls’ High School here cannot miss the view of a group of women practicing martial arts.

    Around 400 females in the age group of 12 to 60 are learning martial arts techniques under the woman empowerment project of Perinthalmanna Municipality here. The project titled Jagrata, started around a year ago, has a huge response from the target groups. Municipality has introduced the project to empower women to defend themselves against physical offenses and make them emotionally strong.

    “We had conducted a survey in all the wards under the municipality to collect data about sexual abuses and domestic violence faced by women. The data was shocking. The municipality decided to prevent these recurring incidents of violence against women. That is how the project started last year,” K Vinodini, coordinator of the project, said. Winner Sports and Martial Arts Academy here is providing training in Wushu for the women. Girls from different schools in the Municipality, housewives and working women are getting the training. The publicity given to the project is attracting more women than expected.

    “My confidence has improved after learning the martial arts. It is giving me physical and mental strength. My mother, aunt and cousin sisters have started learning martial arts after I encouraged them,” Surya Sankara, a trainee here, said.

    The housewives have the opinion that it has improved their energy level and working women feel that they are able to better manage household work and their profession with the energy they have secured through the training.

    “We are providing martial arts training along with psychological counselling for the women here. Through the training, we are trying to improve the health and mental strength of the women,” trainer Shereef said.

    Municipal chairperson Nishi Anilraj said that the municipality had started such a project after they realised that women empowerment cannot be achieved through awareness campaigns alone. Municipality claimed that it was for the first time a municipality in the state was introducing such a project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Honestly, I see a lot of martial artists get so wrapped up in themselves - martial myopia I like to call it - that they lose perspective. The ol' multiple attackers issue - frankly, anyone can ramp up a street scenario to something that's a no-win. It's like the Kobayashi-Maru in Star Trek. What if you're attacked by a hundred zombies? Will your ground fighting save you then? It's preposterous. That being said, there are some decent martial-arts-based self defense programs for women, stuff like Model Mugging, which are reality-based and useful. They aren't going to build any MMA champs, but they do teach basic skills that can work on the streets. Heck, I teach basic self-defense for emergency medical response and I've had plenty of students come back to me and say "I got to use that. It worked!" Keep it simple. It's a start.
    I suppose, perhaps I do look at the end quality of a martial artist.
    But, the sheer physical mismatch between men and women is not a ramp up so much as a simple matter of fact in the majority of cases.
    From my perspective, the problem of rape is solved with the perpetrators being educated in formative years to behave and be conscious of their behaviours as they go through life. The installation and instilling of a higher morality and strong ethics will supersede the need to physically train the potential victims.
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    It's easier to educate potential victims than potential rapists

    I think everyone should know some martial arts, DJ, but I'm biased here, of course. I also think everyone should know basic first aid. Why aren't these aren't taught in middle school like Algebra? I've almost never had the opportunity to apply Algebra in the real world.
    Martial art expert Yajness wants to train students in self-defence
    TNN | Jul 16, 2014, 05.35 AM IST

    MANGALORE: After the brutal gang rape of Nirbhaya that shook the entire nation, several state governments and the Union government came up with measures to ensure women's safety. However, women in the country still feel unsafe and many of them have taken to martial arts to be ready to defend themselves in dire situations. Lending them a helping hand is Chitah Yajness Shetty, who has trained over two lakh women in martial arts across India.

    He said that he wants to start martial arts training programmes in schools and colleges in the coastal city.

    "I have already spoken to several schools in Mangalore and many of them have agreed to commence martial arts training programmes. If everything goes as per plan, courses will be introduced in schools in the next academic year," Shetty told TOI.

    "The Nirbhaya incident was a wake-up call to women. After that they have started taking martial arts seriously. I have so far trained two lakh women under the Nirbhaya Women Empowerment Training Programme. I am also training underprivileged children in martial arts," said Shetty who has trained several Bollywood actors including Dilip Kumar and Karishma Kapoor.

    Honouring his services International Martial Arts Council of America Board of Directors has conferred him with the 2014 United States Martial Arts Hall Of Fame Award.

    He is also the recipient of the Most Valuable 2014 Jeet Kune Do Instructor Award.

    He was presented with the award at a ceremony held in the US.
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    Native American (Indian) combat training: Lacrosse

    Women are better runners than men. Can often climb through smaller spaces more quickly. Lacrosse teaches excellent sprint speed and endurance running. It also teaches how to continue running while being hit with sticks and shoulder checked. You also are used to running through a group of people who are attacking you as much as possible while you are planning your best route to your intended goal. Gives confidence, helps timing, makes for very fast eyes and feet, and you at least learn how to throw a shoulder strike and keep moving, create space and explode through.

    I have had a number of Indian coworkers who tell me about the increasing rate of violent crime there because of population increase. I hope they can do something to protect/empower the oppressed. i would not recommend taikuando, or how ever you spell it. Beyond personal exposure, watch how many times tkd guys fall down in fights trying to kick. That's not even with a guy bum rushing them.
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    From my perspective, the problem of rape is solved with the perpetrators being educated in formative years to behave and be conscious of their behaviours as they go through life. The installation and instilling of a higher morality and strong ethics will supersede the need to physically train the potential victims.
    India is a religious country. It's cast system, which they are in part doing away with, has a low class that is considered to be the reincarnated souls of no good middle class people (yes that is a very broad and simplified retelling). The Dalit group are the extreme low class. The upper classes are taught to look at those people as deserving their bad life because they are suffering to pay for the evils they did in a past life. What ever bad happens to that group of people, whether rape, abuse, starvation, murder, it is looked at as fair karma repayment. So many people are "conscious of their behaviors" and taught to be. They simply have a much different outlook on fairness, and good/evil.

    But that is not at all the main problem on the larger scale. There are evil people out there. People who feel enjoyment out of the suffering of others, or who care only about themselves. As long as they feel the consequences for whatever action will not reach them, they will do damage to whom ever if they can see a benifit for themselves. Kidnapping is a huge problem there. I know a man there who became a christian and went back as a missionary. He and his brother were beat over the head with a stick in a city while they were riding a motorcycle, then taken to a very large kidnappers camp and held for ransom. The kidnappers were essentially a small army or large gang. Basically a group of men who had figured out their own method for living in the difficult situation that is India. They made their money from ransoms. Got their sexual relations by force or abduction. There are many men like this in India, and Africa, and Croatia, and... Well think about it. Everywhere!

    I have never seen a person who is truly selfish at their core be educated out of it. If their personality type is selfish, that seems to be a permanent condition. All a selfish person needs to begin to do evil to others, whether THEY think of it as evil or not, is the absence of recognized real consequences.

    There has never been a society in the world who could eradicate evil. I would say the most evil societies in history were the ones who came the closest to eradicating everything that was in philosophical objection to their views of good/evil.

    I prefer to spend my time helping the innocent or oppressed rather than formulating concepts to eliminate evil from the world.
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    Somehow, unless you ship 'em out to some place like Indonesia where quite a few women have been known to defend themselves successfully to apprentice under some serious teachers for 10 - 15 years, I doubt martial arts training is going to make a difference....
    I was on the metro earlier, deep in meditation, when a ruffian came over and started causing trouble. He started pushing me with his bag, steadily increasing the force until it became very annoying. When I turned to him, before I could ask him to stop, he immediately started hurling abuse like a scoundrel. I performed a basic chin na - carotid artery strike combination and sent him to sleep. The rest of my journey was very peaceful, and passersby hailed me as a hero - Warrior Man

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