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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    At this point I recognize your habitual misrepresentation of others positions is merely your way of passively disagreeing with said imagined position.
    You make it sound like it's my fault that I'm not "getting" your metaphors and stories. But that's really the point, isn't it? Words are always like this, hence their usefulness for obfuscation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    I think that would be to mistake a secondary (or tertiary) level benefit for the purpose. I'd have to note many people practice their own variations on ZZ for their own reasons.I practice to collect concentration to an extreme point. The method used is the external manifestation of this purpose (in this case standing zz) which happens to give health benefits and is the topic of this thread.
    There are indeed a great many people who practice zhan zhuang, and many who practice for health, and couldn't possibly provide evidence for that, as I couldn't - except for my astonishing health, vigour and good looks. But they aren't on the internet undermining me, as I explain how useful zz is, and how to get the bests results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post

    You've already discovered this and that's great. There are many benefits to being concentrated, whether moving or (relatively) still in body.
    In all seriousness, all that really irritates me about you is that by pretending to be in some way to be speaking from a superior position or knowledge, you're hindering me in getting across actual, simple, factual and useful information. When you "discover" that, then that will be great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post

    Interesting, I think this relates to motors having a good air to gas ratio to run optimally. Even when throttle is as closed as possible, there is still gas in the mix.
    Nonsense.

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    There are two poles to the misunderstanding of... standing pole. One pole is the mistaken belief/experience that it is merely an exercise in endurance or relaxation.

    The other is the opportunity it provides to pretend to have obtained a mysterious energy skill. Here's a fraud from where I live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k74clw7uyv8

    You actually hear the hoaxer in this video say "mysterious energy".

    The hoaxers are by far the most serious problem. But the other pole is not helpful, either. It is very important, in that case, to be clear about physical practices - to be clear about what it is that you're recommending, and why.

    Too often, when you strip back the metaphors, people are only really saying "relax and endure". Worse is, when that's pointed out, they say "I didn't even say that!" And yet never say anything but that. That is another kind of hoax, in its own way - although, not intentional, nor in the same league as the deathless shame of the above fraud.
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    Is it alright with you if just don't engage this? All I really want from you is total acceptance that I know a great deal more than you. Then actual, useful knowledge can be promoted. Nothing personal. Mate.
    Whatever, dude

    I might listen to what you have to say some time in future when you stop grossly misrepresenting what others are saying and implying to further your own self-aggrandizing fantasies.
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    Morning,

    Since this has seemed to digress into a discussion of Zhan Zhuang more than Santi I will ask if anyone has read this book or has any opinion on it and it's validity or usefulness.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/098...pf_rd_i=507846

    Again, I am more curious about the health benefits more than any mystical practice.
    Peace,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rett View Post
    Whatever, dude

    I might listen to what you have to say some time in future when you stop grossly misrepresenting what others are saying and implying to further your own self-aggrandizing fantasies.
    You should listen to what is true, or useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sihing73 View Post
    Morning,

    Since this has seemed to digress into a discussion of Zhan Zhuang more than Santi I will ask if anyone has read this book or has any opinion on it and it's validity or usefulness.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/098...pf_rd_i=507846

    Again, I am more curious about the health benefits more than any mystical practice.

    Hi Dave,
    Mark Cohen is an obnoxious fraud, and a true enemy of quan. Like all such, he lives in fear and deathless shame.

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    ZZ can "polish" your combat skill as well. It's not difficult to see that the following stance

    http://imageshack.us/a/img718/3319/chang13tb.jpg

    can help you to "polish" your "leg lift" throw (Uchi Mata).

    http://imageshack.us/a/img831/4315/linleglift.jpg

    and "leg block" throw (O Guruma).

    http://imageshack.us/a/img19/3762/johnleglift.jpg

    The static stances can help you to push yourself much harder than the true application can. If your body can't feel comfortable to be in certain shape, you just can't do certain techniques well.

    Static stances and applications:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdOUViyJXg
    http://johnswang.com

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    Agreed. Emphasising that ZZ is only one, supplementary, training practice within a wider regime is important. Even for health benefits, other factors are important, such as diet, exercise that actually increases fitness etc.

    Yiquan master Cui Rui Bin argues somewhere - I can’t remember where offhand – that if you only have two hours to practice, then you should do two hours of ZZ. I won’t be usurping Master Cui’s position as a senior expert any time soon, but I simply can’t agree with this.

    Yiquan is intended to adapt to personal characteristics, training needs, circumstances, physiology, time, ambitions and the current state of martial arts knowledge. As such, no one can really say how much or how little ZZ you should be doing, as this will vary. But I would say that in most cases, no more than a fifth, or quarter at most, of available training time should be spent practicing ZZ, in either still or moving form. There is simply too much other stuff that needs to be trained in this day and age.

    However, I will emphasise my opinion that ZZ improves one’s rate of improvement, by increasing one’s capacity for more refined physical movement. But there has to be something to improve – something that ZZ is supplementary to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sihing73 View Post
    Anyhow, I am wondering if there are any reported health benefits from performing just the Santi or even just doing Standing Postures such as Zhan Zhuang.
    A search on google scholar for the string "zhan zhuang" (with the quotation marks) appears to only turn up studies where one author is named "zhuang" and things like that. San Tishi doesn't appear to give anything relevent either (even spelled different ways).

    However searching on the string "standing meditation" gives many results for papers studying health effects of standing meditation in the context of qigong.

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...n&as_sdt=0%2C5

    Hope this can be of help.
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    Not quite standing mediation, but meditation itself is currently being hailed as an almost mirracle cure for tinnitus in some cases. This is a news paper reprt, but I believe the medical findings are quite hopeful:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...editating.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sihing73 View Post
    Hello,

    I know that Hsing Yi practice of the Five fists is supposed to have health benefits.
    Each fist is reputed to stimulate a specific organ.

    My question is regarding the Santi Shi posture or Trinity Pole Standing.
    Santi is the posture which originates the fists, perhaps I am not explaining it properly but essentially it is the standing posture taken in the beginning and the fists move from that posture.

    Anyhow, I am wondering if there are any reported health benefits from performing just the Santi or even just doing Standing Postures such as Zhan Zhuang.

    I am genuinely curious as I have started practicing the Santi this past week and it seems that I have seen a decrease in my blood sugar levels. I am wondering if this is related or simply a coincidence. Although, I have not made any changes to my diet or exercise and actually have taken less of my medication.

    Any input would be appreciated.
    Doing this for a few minutes on each side daily is a good thing for spine health and for isometric strength. If you are doing it for mediation purposes then longer cools be beneficial as long as you are not hurting yourself.

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    As far as I know, Santi Shi or Trinity pile standing is the most important and fundamental training in Xingyi Quan practice. It is said that “Santi Shi is the source of all skills.” In traditional training, beginners need to learn Santi Shi and practice it for a long time before they can be taught other skills. Practicing Santi Shi can help practitioners improve their movements and the integration of internal and external components. Stability and rooting can also be increased by this practice, as can relaxation and the control and use of shen, yi, qi and jin. Santi Shi training is emphasized in every Xingyi Quan group and will be presented here as a foundation training for martial arts fighting skills.

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