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    My Pak Mei and Hung Gar are both alive and well. I knew martial arts were on a downward slope the first time I won a San Shou championship and received a small medal, then looked over and saw the guys that won in forms packing around 3-5 foot tall trophies.

    What most of the world has not figured out is that: The people with the most trophies and who are most vocal about their arts often are the "empty teacups that make the most noise".
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  2. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    the difference between an MMA person and the so called "traditionalist" is that if you show the MMA person that something works, they will use it

    the "traditionalist" will argue it isn't part of his style, isn't real kung fu, is external and they do "internal", that they already have that method but it takes 10 years to do correctly, etc
    and those traditionalists cant speak a word of Chinese.

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  3. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    funny thing is... I saw less resistance to TCMA techniques and principles in the local MMA Gym where guys are in it and winning it than I see on this supposedly TCMA forum.

    For f**k sakes, they even experimented with WC concepts!
    Yes, anyone who doesn't recognize that online martial arts culture is almost entirely different than in the gyms and schools is probably spending too much time online.

    The reason there is so much talk online is that people are filling their time. Not me, of course, other people.

  4. #19
    Thanks for your replies (Yes even you my little Bawang ... there is always one clown in every group and you do it so well )

    So do you think that in the future that the "real" Gongfu will be found in the West?

    Ron Goninan
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  5. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    being a traditionalist is different from learning traditional kung fu right
    Yes........
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    That being said, does that make the kung fu or practitioners less because they don't want to be exploited?
    When's the last time Kung Fu wasn't being exploited?
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

  7. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Minghequan View Post
    So do you think that in the future that the "real" Gongfu will be found in the West?
    only black people.

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    Only black people what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Only black people what?
    White people can't have da realz Kung Fu...except David Ross...
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Last edited by PalmStriker; 11-08-2013 at 07:35 PM.

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    It didn't help. Neither of you are helping.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

  13. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    Yes........
    sorry if i sounded stupid i don't think i've been unfortunate enough to meet a traditionalist so far

    Quote Originally Posted by Minghequan View Post
    So do you think that in the future that the "real" Gongfu will be found in the West?
    hope so, but it doesn't look good at the moment

    maybe in about 10 years i can have my own school some place... but perhaps not as i'm white guess i'd have to yellow up first!
    I guess we are who we are

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    One of my guys went to a MMA gym. After he had shown his MMA friends the "cracking" technique, His MMA friends were all convinced that "stand up joint locking" work (they didn't believe that before). They all wanted to learn that move from him.

    There are a lot of treasure in TCMA, the day that MMA guys have found it, the day that TCMA and MMA will be further integrated together. MMA guys are very realistic. You have to use your TCMA techniques to work on them before they can show any respect on you. IMO, the best way to save TCMA is to send students to the MMA gyms.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-08-2013 at 09:33 PM.
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    Kung fu died a long time ago. It was killed by the invention of forms.

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