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    Cheung Hung Sing: Founder of Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu

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    Cheung Hung Sing


    張炎公 佛山鴻勝館 (1824-1893)

    FOUNDER OF THE FUT SAN HUNG SING KWOON, AND HUNG SING KUEN aka the Hung Sing method of Choy Lee Fut

    Cheung Yim was his original name and he was born in the Sun Wui Dong Ling Village during the Qing Dynasty. His parents were murdered and he was under the care of his uncle Cheong Kwan. Starting at a very young age, Cheung Yim had a passion for learning the martial arts. His first teacher was the Shaolin Monk Lee Yau San-master of the Lee Ga system- and who is said perhaps to have been a disciple of Lee Sik Hoi-one of the 5 ancestors of the Hung Mun secret Society. In one version of the history, the government was after Cheong Yim for as we say “Draft Dodger.” The government was trying to recruit him into the military and he didn’t want to go. And if things weren’t bad enough, his uncle Cheung Kwan had to leave town on business and wouldn’t be able to take his young nephew with him. So, he came up with the idea of paying his old friend in King Mui a visit. His friend was a gung fu master and founder of a new fighting system. Hoping that his old friend could take in the young Cheung Yim, they set out for King Mui’s Chan Village.

    Upon their arrival in King Mui, the two were met by Chan Heung, the chief gung fu instructor there. Cheung Kwan explained their situation but was faced with the unfortunate fact that those without the Chan Surname were not allowed to reside in their village much less learn their gung fu. But Cheung Kwan pleaded until Chan Heung devised a plan. He was able to take in the young boy, but only in the capacity of a groundskeeper. However, the young Jeong Yim wasn’t allowed to learn the gung fu from their village. An agreement was made and in 1836, Jeong Kwan left his young nephew with Chan Heung. During his daily chores, the young Cheung Yim watched as the students practiced their gung fu. Since he already was accomplished by the age of 12, he was able to pick up Chan Heung’s Choy Lee Fut rather quickly. At the time, Choy Lee Fut was based off of the styles taught by Monk Choy Fook, and Lee Yau San. He was already familiar with the Lee Ga system, which ironically they shared the same sifu. So at night time while everyone was sleeping, Jeong Yim would practice his stolen gung fu until he was caught in the act by Chan Heung.

    It’s obvious that Chan Heung saw the great potential in Cheung Yim because for the next 5 years this late night training continued. Everything went smoothly during this time, but the one time Chan Heung went away, his senior disciples decided to point their attention at the outsider Jeong Yim. Believing Cheung Yim didn’t know gung fu at all, the senior disciples ultimately got him to fight them. Unfortunately for them, he whooped them pretty badly. This forced the parents of the senior students to order Chan Heung to kick out the outsider. Reluctantly, Chan Heung asked Cheung Yim to leave, but not before instructing him to go to the Pak Pai Mountain and locate a Shaolin Monk there to complete his training. So, in 1841, he left for the outskirts of Guangxi and found the Monk Ching Cho Wo Serng (Green Grass Monk) at the Pak Pai Mountain. He was accepted as a student and for the next 8 years (1841-1849) he learned the deadly art of Fut Gar Kuen. Monk Ching Cho or Green Grass Monk was a famous monk from the Shaolin Temple. In fact, at some point he was even the Abbott of the temple. After the destruction of the Southern Temple, Monk Ching Cho helped establish the Hung Mun Secret society. Therefore,the Green Grass Monk not only taught Cheung Yim gung fu, but he also instilled the revolutionary spirit within him.

    Once Cheung Yim’s gung fu training was complete, the Green Grass Monk changed his first name of "Yim" to Hung Sing, which translates into Hung Mun Victory. The monk Ching Cho then instructed him to go to Fut San, contact the Hung Mun branch there and offer to help train their revolutionary fighters. For the next two years Cheung Hung Sing intensely trained his students strictly for combat. In 1851, he responded to the launching of the Tai Ping rebellion by organizing all of his Hung Sing Kwoon's throughout southern China and formally established his Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon (Fut San Hung Victory).

    The Tai Ping Rebellion ended in 1864 and many of the kung fu masters that were involved with this fled to Hong Kong, this included chan heung and Cheung Hung Sing. After doing my research, it is here that i believe they reunited and spent time with each other improving Chan Heung's Choy Lee Fut. In their meetings, Chan Heung treated Cheung Hung Sing as an equal because of their connection to the Hung brotherhood. In another version of the history, Chan Heung was supposed to train with monk ching cho but didn't get the opportunity. This was a great moment to finally learn some of his material. It was then that he shared what he learned from the Green Grass Monk with Chan Heung. Together, they evolved the Choy Lee Fut system to a new level this way. Since they were members of the Hung Mun, they created a set of techniques that would allow students from the various CLF branches to identify each other. One of the hand signals was the Left Handed Tiger Claw, this is representative of a certain individual within the Hung Mun. And in 1867, Cheung Hung Sing went back to Fut San and Chan Heung returned to King Mui. At the end of this period, chan heung and Cheung Hung Sing agreed to separately develop their respective systems. Choy Lee Fut would be further developed by Chan Heung's lineage in King Mui and the same with Cheung Hung Sing's lineage in Fut San. This is how the birth of the original "Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut" kung fu came into being.

    The one major difference between what Chan Heung was teaching and Cheung Hung Sing was teaching is that Chan Heung's system was based on Choy Gar, Lee Gar, and Hung Kuen (The use of FUT GAR within the Chan Heung lineages TODAY as of Nov. 2014 is a modern attempt to blur the lines). Cheung Hung Sing's method is comprised of the Fut Gar Kuen, Lee Gar, Choy Lee Fut styles. The "Fut" in Chan Heung's Choy Lee Fut is NOT based on Fut Gar, it was based on the fact that all of Chan Heung's teachers were buddhist monks of the shaolin temple. Cheung Hung Sing is the person to put the "Fut Gar" or FUT in Choy Lee Fut. Back in Fut San, Cheung Hung Sing was busy rebuilding his school. He changed the old Hung Victory name to Great Victory and his method took on so fast that it eventually eclipsed the other styles in Fut San. He was pretty busy with the fact that he was the founder of a new Choy Lee Fut system, training freedom fighters, defeating all challengers, and running from the law.

    Cheung Hung Sing had many, many students. But three of his oldest disciples were Lui Chun (guangzhou), Lee Yan, and Yuen Hai (Hong Kong). Other students included Tham Lup, Jeong Sam Bing, Wong Sei, Chun Mien, Lee So, Wong Fook, and Chan Ngau Sing. Senior disciple Lui Chun went on to produce Tam Sam-who became the founder of the Choy Lee Fut Buk Sing lineage. Through Lee Yan’s line the Singapore Hung Sing Kwoon was established, and Yuen Hai produced Lau Bun who became the founder of the first gung fu school on american soil, as well as the first Hung Sing Kwoon established there. Evidence of Jeong Hung Sing’s involvement with the Hung Mun is found in a number of places. The first is found in the pair of couplets ALL Hung Sing Kwoon’s use. The left side reads, “A strong fist releases out like a tiger raising its head” while the right side reads, “A graceful staff flies above like a dragon whipping its tail.” Now, when you string the first two words of each couplet together, it means “Hero” as in revolutionary hero. Another link is found in the set up of Cheung Yim’s alter and the way it was set up.

    Cheung Hung Sing continued to develop his Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut and training freedom fighters for the rest of his life. His successor-Chan Ngau Sing-didn’t come into the picture until 1883 when he (Cheung Hung Sing) was about 60 years old. According to material passed down from the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon, Yuen Hai was responsible for recruiting Chan Ngau Sing, whom, at first was extremely skeptical of Jeong Hung Sing. He felt that he was actually better than this old gung fu master. However, the old Jeong Hung Sing matched up with Chan Ngau Sing and advised him to pay attention, because he’s going to fall first the to the east, then to the west, and finally down the center. At the end of three quick rounds, Cheung Hung Sing honored his word, and Chan Ngau Sing landed exactly where Jeong Hung Sing, this old dying relic, predicted he would. Chan Ngau Sing learned the hard way that this old master really was one of southern China’s greatest fighters and requested to be taken as a disciple.

    In 1893, Cheung Hung Sing fell ill and Chan Ngau Sing tried to take him to see his own personal doctor. However, Cheung Hung Sing, founder of the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon passed away due to this illness. As it’s passed down within the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon, Cheung Hung Sing left behind his wife (Chan Kay) and his two sons who died pretty young themselves. Chan Ngau Sing from that point on became the next inheritor of the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon.[/CENTER][/B]
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    Cheung Hung Sing began teaching his gung fu in fut san in 1849-1851 on an underground level as he was designated to teach an army of fighters for the up and coming tai ping rebellion. He was a general of the Tai Ping Army. He officially established THE FIRST Hung Sing Kwoon 洪勝舘 (Great Victory School) in Fut San. Next is, Chan Din Foon didn't go blind until 1875. From 1867 - 1875 (7 years) Cheung Hung Sing re-opened his own school that was formerly known as 佛山洪勝舘 Fut San Hung Victory School (pronounced as Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon). Except this time, he changed the schools name to " Fut San Great Victory School" 佛山鴻勝舘. So, there's absolutely no way he was sent there by Chan Heung to become Chan Din Foon's successor."ALLEGEDLY" Until Chan Din Foon went blind in 1875, his schools name was "Great Saint School" 洪聖舘. This name is also pronounced as Hung Sing or Hung Shing. But you can clearly see that Cheung Yim's 洪勝/鴻勝 Hung Sing name is definitely NOT THE SAME as Chan Din Foon's 洪聖 Hung Shing or Great Saint name. He may have taken over the physical location of where Chan Din Foon may have (no proof yet) taught. But if he was chan din foon's successor he would not have changed the schools name and replaced it with his own. So that put to rest this idea that he succeded Chan Din Foon's Great Saint School.
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    Various stories regarding Cheung Hung Sing

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    On a narrow road on a hill, walks a 50 over years old man, though he is a little chubby but his pace was light and quick. As the old man traverse, a group of people emerge out of no where in the dark from both side of the road and yells "dont let him escape" while charging headlong on him. The old man sees the situation is not right and head to hide beside a rock. One guy from the mob found him eventually, he flying kick the guy, took his sword and charge into the mob. The mob was disoriented by this act.

    The mob is quick to surround him however, and the mob lashes on him. The old man swung his sword as well, the scene is only seen with a lot of swords and shadows of it. None of the people was able to close in on the old man however, and a few of the mobs was even wounded by the old man. After some times into the duel, the old man sees the day will hit dawn soon and get dark, so he think of escapes. He took the initiative and lash forth a few mob and killing them, then yell.

    The mobs sees there is no way they can win and withdraw while the old man escaped. As the mob sees the old man escape, they yell "dont let him escape" and give chase. the old man charge forth without giving any thought. As he almost make it to the woods, a young men appear and says " no worries sir, i am here to help". And the old man was pleased and say, lets hit them back together.

    The duo put the mobs into a short work and send them running home with lot of casualties. After this is all over, the young man invite the old man to go to his village to took rest. And the old man follow the young man home, and serve him some tea. The young man introduce himself as Hung Sing, Surname Cheong. He goes on to ask why was the old man is being pursuit by a gang of people.

    The old man says his name is Chan Hsiong, and he is on his way back from a wedding dinner from his relative's home. ANd this mob comes out of nowhere and block the way, and he thanks the young man for his aid. Hung SIng says, he is merely seeing this as helping people when they need. the young man says, 30 over mobs cant close in on him, this is no ordinary feats. CHan Hsiong goes on to explain the mobs is enemies of his, they attempted to rob his home and being beat off.

    One of them cripled by me, which lead to the shot of revenge happened just now. Chan Hiong tells Hung SIng, he is learned many martial arts, he grow up in Xin Hui Jin Mei county, he learned Hung, Lau, Choi, Li, Mo and he learn Ling DOng party's Buddha fist. Chan Hsion goes on to tell Hung SIng about his past. In his 30s, he accidentally killed some one in Xinhui county and he escape to Singapore. and after Singapore gain independant, he goes live in low profile and no one knows about his skills and see him as an ordinary factory worker.

    One day, a circus come to Singapore, and there is a strong man from Belgium name Cupeter, his heght is 12 feet and his waist is thick and his eye is as big as bells, a terrible sight indeed. the circus is coming from hagenbeck. has many shows, one of it being a performance by Cupeter, he lie on the ground and have a platform put over him. 5 horse then steps on the platform. and then he took off the platform and stand up unharmed. Cupeter is an arrogant man as well, he claim no one had ever defeated him ever trhough his journey through 5 continent.

    He saw the chinese in Singapore is mostly short in stature, he put up a challenge. the challenge is that, if someone can put 3 punch into him and beat him off his feet will be awarded with 10 Dutch coin.

    The chinese people in Singapore is rather offended. A member of GUang DOng Union's name is Ma Fu, 35 years old, he is a strong man as well. however, his height is only at the chest of cupeter. He says, he did learn some Hung fist during his childhood and he constantly practices with punching sandbags. He claim his punch over 200 catty, he will be able to knock Cupeter in just single punch. The union is delighted and promote him to take on Cupeter. THe circus is on show again soon, and is pack with people this time. With most comes to watch how will Ma Fu took on Cupeter.

    As the usual circus show ended, Cupeter mock the chinese and put out challenges. Ma FU comes in to took the challenge and punch Cupeter. Cupeter is disoriented and falls down, as Ma Fu is standing there enjoying the crowd, Cupeter get back up and punch Ma Fu in his head. Ma FU is knocked out and Cupeter is pleased. As Cupeter want to step on the black out Ma Fu, Chan Hsiong jump in and punch CUpeter and knock him off.

    Cupeter Mock and challenge him, Chan Hsiong reply and declare his intention is to come and defeat Cupeter. As Cupeter attempt to punch Chan Hsion, his punch is being doged by Chan Hsiong. Chan Hsion goes into savage mode. THe crowd sees Chan Hsiong's small stature and is no match to Cupeter and laughs. Chan Hsiong knows brute force of Hung Fist have little effect on Cupeter, so he decide to utilize Choi, BUddha and Li kung fu.

    Chan Hsiong make a ruse and get on his back. Chan Hsiong get to his back, yelled " Go to hell" and his punch break the back of Cupeter. Cupeter spit out blood and falls on the ground. As the circus manager was shocked and goes to report to the police. CHan Hsion escapes and is aided by Melaka Guang Dong association.

    The association bribe the police from issue the arrest warrant. The local chinese ask of CHan Hsiong's ability and his martial art style, Chan Hsiong says his martial art have kung fu from lot of different lineage. As some one suggest to combine the martial arts, Chan hsion sees that as a good decision and an oppoturnity to create a new martial art style. He working dligently on it and created the Choi Lee Fut at last. As such, he gained a lot of disciple and his martial art school is big.

    He teaches his disciple diligently and he do this for 20 years. as he is old, he begun to miss his home town. as such he decided to goes home, and appoint trusted assistant to take over the martial art school. His student bid him farewell as most of them hold him dearly. He goes back to Hong Kong first. None of his freind in Hong Kong knows of what he did and his tales in overseas.

    He bring with him a lot of money back to home. A nearby hill in Xing Hui nest a bunch of bandit, from 300 to 400 over people. THe hill names, Gu DOu mountain, the head of the bandit is one named Lam Dai Gau. he claims he is being teaches martial arts from a monk in his childhood. One day, he learned CHan Hsiong comes back with lot of money, he decided to rob him. and send Dan Ngan Keong to investigates this. Dan Ngan Keong is a major figure in the bandits gang as well. Dan NGan Keong disguise as a buyers of used goods and metal. as he goes around the town, he do reconaisanse on the area and Chan Hsiong's resident.

    As they return to the bandit headquarter, Lam Dai Gau decide he will join the action himself. and the group of bandit divided into 30 people lead by Dan Ngan Keong, while 40 people lead by Lam Dai Gau. they carry out a 2 pronge attack into the village. Lam Dai Gau break into CHan Hsiong's house while Dan Ngan Keong break in from the front. Lam Dai Gau taste a surprise reprisal, as he break in from the roof, Chan Hsiong welcome him with sword in the darks. Lam Dai Gau is wounded by Chan Hsiong in the left arm. As Lam Dai Gau realized he is no match, he flee with his men.

    Chan Hsiong found his wife and daughter is tied up and his home in disarray. No major losses however. Now, the villager had come to aid CHan Hsiong, though Chan Hsion did not give chase, he gather the vikllager and discuss the precautions with the villagers to avoid something like this occur again. Lam Dai Gau return to the mountain and count their loot, they only gott 300 teal of silver. this is less than what he expected, coupling with his left arm broken off.

    this causes him grieves deeply. | He seek revenge and send someone to investigate on him and found he will leave to town on 6th. as such he arrange the ambush for the purpose of revenge. As the road to the town will pass through a narrow pass, the ambush works, and the begun the opening scene as being talked above. As Cheong Hung Sing found out Chan Hsiong is a person with high skill on martial art, he decide to keep him here and treat him a feast. they both get along very well despite the different of ages of both people.

    Chan Hsion goes on to stay a few day in Cheong Hung Sing's home and they both exchange their kung fu with each other. Cheong Hung Sing ask guidance from Chan Hsiong, and wanted to be Chan Hsiong's disciple. Chan Hsiong is delighted and deiced to pass down his invented martial combining CHoi,Li and Buddha fist. and he had not find any worthy inheritor yet, he decided to pass it down to him as Chan Hsiong sees Cheong Hung Sing is a good man. and so goes the ceremony of Chan Hsiong accepting Cheong Hung Sing as disciple. Chan Hsiong teach Cheong Hung Sing everyday, as Cheong Hung SIng has a good foundation, he mastered everything CHan Hsiong teach in mere 6 month.

    Chan Hsion told CHeoing Hung SIng that he is old and that he entrust Cheong Hung SIng to spread what he teached him. As CHeong Hung SIng as Chan Hsion where to being with, he told CHeong FOshan will be an excellent place for this. As Chan Hsion leaves, Cheong pack his belonging and head to FOshan to set up martial art school and teaches martial art in FO shan. He name after his own name and become one of the largest martial art school in Foshan today.
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    Sometime between 1856 and 1867 Jeung Hung Sing returned to his home in Dong Ling Village and established a school where he passed on his art to his fellow clansmen. Originally it was called Hung Sing Jeung Kwoon because all of the teachers possessed the Jeung surname. In 1999 they changed their name to Dong Ling Hung Sing Kwoon. Below are two pictures. One of his schools in Dong Ling and a group of current Dong Ling Hung Sing Kwoon students.

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    Chan Ngau Sing: The first successor of the Fut San Great Victory (Hung Sing) School

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    Chan Ngau Sing, also known as Chan Gok Choy, and Chan Gei Sing, and his nick name was Chan Mou Sing. He was born in Fut San on Ngar Pong St. in 1864. His ancestors came from a place called San Sui. As a young boy his gung fu career started with Hung Gar under a master named Chow Gum Biu. Since the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon under Jeong Yim opened, Jeong Yim had to face many challengers which was customary during that time and defeated all his opponents. His reputation quickly spread throughout all of southern China. With this in mind Master Chow Gum Biu suggested to Chan Sing that he should go and complete his training under such a master as Jeong Hung Sing.

    Chan Ngau Sing dismissed his teachers recommendation because he was personally very proud of his own physical strength and marial arts prowess. Feeling that he was far better than most of the fighters in the area, and thought defeating Jeong Yim who was much older than him-would be easy. In 1883, Chan Ngau Sing was convinced to pay Jeong Hung Sing a visit. During their initial encounter Chan Ngau Sing challenged Jeong Yim to a match. But Jeong Yim told Chan Ngau Sing that he would defeat him in 3 rounds. And in each round, Jeong Yim dictated where Chan Ngau Sing would fall. First he said that Chan Ngau Sing would fall to the East, and he did. The second round Jeong Yim said to Chan Ngau Sing, "now you will fall to the west" and of course Chan Ngau Sing did. On the third round Jeong Yim told Chan Ngau Sing he would fall down in the middle, and one more time Jeong Yim was correct.

    It was on the last fall that Chan Ngau Sing recognized the effectiveness of the Hung Sing Kwoon's fighting art, and especially that of Jeong Yim, even at his old age. Jeong Yim recognized the great potential of Chan Ngau Sing who proved to be a worthy disciple that practiced hard day and night to perfect his gung fu. Jeong Yim also instilled within Chan Ngau Sing his revlotionary spirit. Chan Ngau Sing learned the In and out bagua style that Monk Ching Cho taught to Jeong Yim. In this hand form, there were 1080 moves in it, and was the essence of the Green Grass Monk's system. Later on, because it was too long to teach to the newer students, Chan Ngau Sing broke up the In and Out Bagua into 3 separte hand forms used for fighting. They were called Ping Kuen, Cheung Kuen, and Kau Da Kuen.

    Evil people was one of Chan Ngau Sing's pet peeves. He was an hornorable man who often treatment bad people as his personal enemies. Once, a well known tough bully from the Sing Tong name Ying Sha was one of those people Chan Ngau Sing despised. Ying Sha had more than 100 people under him, and he also enjoyed causing trouble where ever he went, and often took advantage of the villagers whenever he could. In Fut San at the Zhu Miao Ancestral Temple Ying Sha and his followers always took control over the first three rows in the audience. He and his roughnecks wouldn't allow anyone to sit in those rows without receiving a severe beating or even possibly killed.

    On one of these occasions, someone ran to Chan Ngau Sing and informed him that Ying Sha and his group were at the Ancestral Temple causing trouble. Chan Ngau Sing was incensed, grabbed a pair of CLF hammers and rushed over to the temple and caught Ying Sha in the act. Single handedly, Chan Ngau Sing killed Ying Sha and his followers, then made a public announcement to the audience that the first three rows were now based on a First Come First Serve basis, making him sort of a local hero. By 1893 Chan Ngau Sing was running his own Hung Sing Kwoon in Fut San near his home, and Jeong Hung Sing would come to teach there on a regular basis. That same year (1893) Jeong Hung Sing fell ill and eventually passed away leaving Chan Ngau Sing the next head master of the Fut San Hung Sing Mo Kwoon.

    Towards the end of the Ching Dynasty, Chan Ngau Sing would teach his students that "the strong should never bully the weak, and small groups should never bully individuals. He was a very strict teacher who installed a set of rules, and placed a strong emphasis on perfecting the basics. Chan Ngau Sing also made it a point to pesonally teach every single student for more than 30 years straight. Aside from gung fu, Chan Ngau Sing also had his own metals business, but that wasn't doing too well. And if that wasn't enough, once again the Chinese Government tried to arrest the members and close down the Hung Sing Kwoon. Yet this time, Chan Ngau Sing fled to Hong Kong and stayed with his Si-Hing Yuen Hai (Lau Bun's teacher). During his stay there, Chan Ngau Sing managed to beat up a British Police officer in Hong Kong and had to flee back into Fut San to avoid being arrested.

    While back in Fut San Chan Ngau Sing began setting up some very strict rules. Personally he was against public Lion Dances because he felt it would bring too much attention to their school. So the Lui Chung and Hip Lien Lion Dance Societies were set up where he was the head master. However, all of the members of these two Lion Dance groups were secretly Hung Sing members which numbered over 10,000 students. In Fut San, Chan Ngau Sing's name carried much weight. His name was so famous that anyone wishing to open a school in the area regardless of who they belonged to always paid him a visit to ask his permission first.

    Over time, Chan Ngau Sing changed his mind about teaching revolutionary groups. Many of his students were members of the Communist Workers and Farmers Unions. Most of his students wre forced to open Hung Sing Kwoons overseas to avoid being arrested as well. At the time, the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon was constantly in the local news. Some of Chan Ngau Sing's famous students were Qian Wei Fang, Wu Qin, Liang Hui Hua, Tong Sek, and more who were all involved in the revolution. Wu Qin became a revolutionary martyr, and bodyguard to Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

    On October 13,1926 in the midst of all his poverty, Chan Ngau Sing passed away after falling ill and was buried in the Mong Ching Gong cemetary. There were more than 5000 people who attended his funeral. Today, his legacy is being carried on by his true bloodline. His Grand son and Great Grand Daughter (Cho Chi Han) who was born on December 29, 1985 and still resides in Fut San till this day, practicing the gung her great grand father passed down. Cho Chi Han was been entering and winning local competitions with her gung fu. Hopefully sometime in the future she would be able to step up and take over where he grand father, the legendary Chan Ngau Sing left off.
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    The truth about the age difference between Jeung Hung Sing and Chan Heung.


    All across the board it is unanimously agreed upon that Jeung Hung Sing was only 12 years old when he first came to train under Chan Heung. His age is very significant in properly placing him within the family tree of the Choy Lee Fut system. For years, there was some controversy over his actual birth date because no one really knew what age he passed away either. However, many new revelations about the founder of Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut came with the re-emergence of the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon in 2001. For example, we now know he was married, a father, and he had a duel with Wing Chun's Master Leung Jan. With all of the new information coming out of the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon, we came to learn that Jeung Hung Sing died at the age of 69 years old in the year 1893. To figure out his birth year the logical thing to do at that time was subtract 69 years from 1893 which turned out to be the year 1824. The unanimously agreed upon age of Jeung Hung Sing was 12 years old and that would have placed him in the year 1836, the exact same year Chan Heung established his Choy Lee Fut system. In 1836 Chan Heung was only 30 years old, making him 18 years older than Jeung Hung Sing. Yet, after reading the accounts of some Choy Lee Fut schools it will leave you scratching your head.

    In some accounts originating from Chan Heung's lineages they would have you believe that he was much older than Jeung Hung Sing. In fact, I've witnessed certain individuals interested in the history as well try to keep as much distance between them as possible in order to seem more credible. One of the ways they try to do this is by labeling Jeung Hung Sing as one of the last batch of Chan Heung's students in the year 1867. By doing this they are attempting to invalidate everything Jeung Hung Sing achieved prior to that year. In 1867 Chan Heung was 61 years old and by trying to place Jeung Hung Sing as his student within this time frame only, their objective becomes extremely clear. They wanted to paint a picture of a much younger Jeung Hung Sing learning from a much older version of Chan Heung. However, that just wasn't the case. The twelve year old Jeung Hung Sing was training under a 30 year old Chan Heung. This means there was only an 18 year difference between them and not something like 40- 50 years as they wanted everyone to believe.

    At the age of twelve years old Jeung Hung Sing would have viewed Chan Heung as a grown up but certainly not as an elderly person. He trained under Chan Heung for five years until he was seventeen years old. Within that time, it's alleged that Chan Heung travelled around promoting his gung fu and he took Jeung Hung Sing along with him. This in fact makes sense because according to my lineages history Chan Heung was responsible for the young man during this time. And five years is indeed sufficient enough time to gain a solid understanding of Choy Lee Fut's foundational material. Now, the only known documentation of Jeung Hung Sing in Chan Heung's archives only mention that Jeung Hung Sing returned to Fut San in 1867 to re-open the Hung Sing Kwoon. The way it is written seems to infer that Chan Heung was the person who originally sent Jeung Hung Sing to the city of Fut San to assume control of a Choy Lee Fut school that recently closed due to the master going blind. At the same time, ignoring the fact that historically Jeung Hung Sing is reported to have established his school in 1851.

    Additionally, in 1864 Chan Heung was 58 years old and Jeung Hung Sing was 40 years old when the both of them fled to hong kong after the Tai Ping Rebellion was over. It was here that they reunited for the first time after 26 years. By this time, Chan Heung was well aware of Jeung Hung Sing's accomplishments and since they were both members of the Hung Mun branch that was founded by the Green Grass Monk he treated him like a brother instead of a former student. According to the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon history, Jeung Hung Sing taught Chan Heung some of the Fut Gar Kuen he learned from the Green Grass Monk. And, because he was influential in the further evolution of Chan Heung's creation our lineage refers to Jeung Hung Sing as a co-founder of sorts because of his contributions. However, this seemed to upset a few students under the Chan Heung banner. They began falsely accusing the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon lineages of trying to rewrite the history as THEY knew it. The only problem was, much of what they were trying to tell us about our own history didn't fit or add up at all.

    Another Issue regarding the ages of both Jeung Hung Sing and Chan Heung was we two separate birth dates for Chan Heung. The King Mui lineages state he was born in 1806. The Fut San sources claim his real birth year was 1815. If this latter date is correct that makes Chan Heung only 9 years older than Jeung Hung Sing instead of an 18 year difference. I've also heard it said that they(King Mui) changed Chan Heung's birth year to make him look much older than Jeung Hung Sing. During my research I happened to come across a PDF file online that outlined Chan Heung's life. In the article it mentioned that Chan Heung was of a certain age when some kind of event took place. When I counted backwards from the date given, by their own account Chan Heung was born in 1815. I mentioned this on a kung fu forum and then next thing I knew the original author omitted that section immediately afterwards. The only explanation he gave was he made a mistake.

    In conclusion, truth always prevails in the end. The Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon lineages have never budged in what has been taught to us in regards to our history. Nor have we ever tried to rewrite anything. The only thing we are doing is telling our side of the story as it was passed down to us via our elders. We are a proud bunch of students, masters and grand masters striving to keep our legacy intact and unadulterated.

    Long Live Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut aka Hung Sing Kuen!!!!!
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