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    Anyone recognize this Wing Chun Master???

    I believe the Wing Chun Master is in the black on the left. This picture depicts a union between the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon and the Wing Chun (兴义、群义、勇义、忠义、英义、聚义武馆) schools in Fut San. They were at war with each other and I believe this was the picture taken when they unified for a righteous purpose.

    anyone recognize the guy in black?

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    188o's Breach-load type rifles. Would be great to find out his identity. Considering his clothing, he is a Master of historic importance, possibly the best photo of a WingChun Master from that early on. Someone with Master Fung Siu-Ching status.
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    Curious as to what's up with all the transits? Were they involved with some building project or survey?
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    Yes, and to figure out who the Brit is may lead to documentation of the event and parties present.

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    this is a brief run down on why this picture exists. I believe this picture was between the years of 1921 and 1926.

    This is a short summary on why this picture exists: In Fut San before the liberation there were two opposing martial art factions. On one side you had the Hung Sing Kwoon and Chan Sing’s Lo Chung Lion Dance club along with Yu ān sh, xi lin sh, yuǎn lin sh děng, yě chēng wi sh z pi. On the other side you have the rival factions of Xingyi (兴义), Qun Yi (群义) , Yong justice (勇义), loyalty (忠义), the British justice (英义) ie The british guy...... , Jiu Yi Mo Kwoon (聚义武馆) merged together to form the “All Righteousness Society” and formed the Lion Dance Club called Zhāo Jng (Hu hbng wi “zhng y”) h wiwi shī hu “zhāo jng”). These two factions have been fiercely fighting for decades since the Qing Dynasty. Their disputes were not mere factionalism, but a battle between two progressive forces.
    Fut San was a industrial center for art and handicrafts but closed down after the Opium War because of massive unemployment and were impacted by foreign goods. Because of political changes, inflation, and the threat of warlords made the peoples lives more difficult. On the other hand, the capitalists were reaping the rewards by colluding with the reactionary trade unions and the triad. The federation of trade unions in Guangzhou at the time were controlled by the Loyalty and Righteousness Martial Arts school who were used to oppress the workers. All of the people who wanted to stand against the oppression joined the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon or the Lo Chung Lion Dance group to learn self defense. The battles between these two factions were getting increasingly fierce.
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    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters.
    The gwailo in the image looks like he's holding out his helmet for tips.
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    Um... prolly just a warm summer day (they had to hold very still for the photo, don't want to look like you are sweating bullets) and helmet off to show air of friendliness and cooperation. Notice the excellent same choice in footware by both Masters_ even though neither of them smiled for the photo document. A general "distrust " between many of the lineages of the day. http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-martial-arts/
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    There were some seriously deadly battles with heavy casualties on both sides. they literally couldn't stand each other. there was also supposed to be a huge fight between them going to take place but in 1927 Chian Kai Shek closed down the hung sing kwoon so the fight never happened.

    I am very curious to whom the guy in black is. In my founders time (1851) the leading martial artist in Fut San was Leung Jan. He challenged our founder Cheung Hung Sing to a closed door duel using the staff. In the end, Cheung Hung Sing was allowed to open his school. These two became good friends. So, who came after Leung Jan because chan ngau sing as seen in this picture was the successor to Cheung Hung Sing's lineage. So around 1921 or so, who was the main Wing Chun guy in Fut San?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    I believe the Wing Chun Master is in the black on the left. This picture depicts a union between the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon and the Wing Chun (兴义、群义、勇义、忠义、英义、聚义武馆) schools in Fut San. They were at war with each other and I believe this was the picture taken when they unified for a righteous purpose.

    anyone recognize the guy in black?

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    Well here is his ancestor........... http://masterwongacademy.com/

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    The Wing Chun Master in the picture is Ng Chung So.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunt1 View Post
    The Wing Chun Master in the picture is Ng Chung So.
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    Wow- thanks Hunt 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunt1 View Post
    The Wing Chun Master in the picture is Ng Chung So.
    Based on comparison photo that may not exist, it may not be able to substantiate entirely but I think hunt1 is probably correct, based on Yiu Choi family records and the attire of the WingChun Master (much the same as adopted by Master Yip Man later on). http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-of-wing-chun/
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    awesome
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    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Based on comparison photo that may not exist, it may not be able to substantiate entirely but I think hunt is probably correct, based on Yiu Choi family records and the attire of the WingChun Master (much the same as adopted by Master Yip Man later on). http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-of-wing-chun/
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    Interesting article- thanks.

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    * Note comments for that same link at bottom of article. (post #12).

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