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    Zhu Chunping vs. Yao Hantian

    Srsly? Zhu Chunping is really too dumb to have accepted this challenge.

    Chinese kick-boxer knocks out tai chi master with one punch in latest blow to traditional martial arts
    Zhu Chunping, 47, lasts only five seconds against Yao Hantian
    The 22-year-old Yao has been training kick-boxing for just six months
    PUBLISHED : Saturday, 24 November, 2018, 6:01pm
    UPDATED : Saturday, 24 November, 2018, 6:16pm
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    Traditional martial arts has suffered another blow in the battle for supremacy with more modern forms of combat after footage emerged of a Chinese kick-boxer flattening a tai chi master with just one punch.

    The 47-year-old expert Zhu Chunping, who has been practising tai chi for decades, hit the canvas five seconds into a bout with Yao Hantian, a 22-year-old amateur who has only been training kick-boxing for six months.

    The cross-disciplinary fight took place earlier this month at an event put on by the Shanghai-based Shengshi Yinghao Club in Suzhou, eastern China. The card also featured seven kick-boxing matches and one MMA bout, with around 1,500 spectators watching.

    Doctors rushed into the ring to check on Zhu, with Shengshi Yinghao Club director Li Yong admitting the organisers had not expected things to end so quickly.

    “Upon examination, Master Zhu was fine. He recovered for one minute then walked down the ring by himself,” Li, who also coaches Yao, told MailOnline.

    At 1.7 metres, Zhu is one inch shorter than Yao but three kilograms heavier at 75kg. Organisers said Zhu is also a master with traditional weapons such as swords and sticks.

    Li said the fight was not arranged to determine the supremacy of one form over the other, but for mutual improvement.

    He also defended tai chi after the outcome of the fight had prompted ridicule of Zhu and the traditional form, but admitted it was an outdated style compared to modern combat sports.


    Zhu Chunping is hit by Yao Hantian. Photo: Shengshi Yinghao Club

    “Tai chi can improve one’s health and temperament and has a lot of philosophy of martial arts in it,” Li said.

    “A lot of the kick-boxing techniques come from tai chi, such as shoulder roll and the way you use your strength while kicking. It is an important part of modern boxing.”

    Chinese MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong sparked controversy last May when he pummelled self-proclaimed tai chi master Wei Lei in just 11 seconds. Such was the outrage of some, a Chinese tycoon offered a total of US$1.45 million to anyone who could defeat Xu and “defend the dignity” of martial artists.

    Xu said he was assaulted in September 2017 by two strangers claiming they represented traditional martial arts. He said the attack went on for 15 minutes, and forced him to withdrew from public life for a few months.

    But the 40-year-old resurfaced in April this year, beating kung fu master Ding Hao in under two minutes.

    He broke his silence earlier this month, vowing he would keep on exposing “kung fu fakery” but claimed he had been barred “indefinitely” from organising tournaments for fighters at his Beijing gym.

    Li appeared to share some of Xu’s sentiments, saying that modern masters do not know how best to convey the sophistication of traditional arts.

    “All they do is boast that they could fight, which leads to the opposition between modern boxing and those ‘fake’ kung fu masters,” Li said.

    “Chinese kung fu is great, but it has been used in the wrong place by people with their own agenda.”

    Tai chi is said to have been invented in 17th century China, and is one of the most popular sports with Chinese state media claiming it is practised by more than 250 million people worldwide.
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    MMA Challenges to Kung Fu

    In the wake of Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu, more similar challenges are happening and Kung Fu is not doing well. I've culled a few above from that Xu thread for a new thread: MMA Challenges to Kung Fu and posted this to Fake XingYi

    Kung fu ‘master’ gouges Chinese kick-boxer’s eye in cheap shot after embarrassing beat down
    Glory Kick-boxing fighter Zhang Wensheng goes to shake Wu Liang’s hand after knocking him down three times in a matter of seconds
    But social media users call Xingyi practitioner a ‘disgrace’ and a ‘coward’ for his sucker punch after the fight had ended
    Nicolas Atkin
    Published: 2:00pm, 7 Jun, 2019


    The kung fu ‘master’ gouges Zhang Wensheng’s eye when they go to shake hands. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

    We’ve seen some of the traditional martial artists making excuses for their embarrassing defeats by Chinese MMA fighters. But a kung fu “master” has taken being a sore loser to new heights.
    Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang challenged MMA fighter Zhang Wensheng (46-6, 10 knockouts), who fights for Glory Kick-boxing – to a match-up at a gym in Shenzhen last month, footage of which has gone viral on Chinese social media.
    As you might have expected, Zhang knocked Wu down within seconds of the fight starting, landing a few punches before dropping him with a head kick. Wu came back for more and got dropped again with a right hand, then an uppercut sent him flying off his feet a third time.
    Wu sportingly went to shake Zhang’s hand, but in a move like something out of WWE, he sucker “punches” his opponent with an eye poke.



    Another fighter, who acted as the referee for the fight, goes to push Wu out of the way – more for his own protection, as Zhang was pretty angry, as you might expect.
    In the end, Zhang decided not to bother further embarrassing Wu, and walked away.


    Zhang Wensheng drops Wu Liang with an uppercut.

    Zhang later posted pictures on social media showing the effects of the cowardly move, with his left eyelid swollen and a cut on the bridge of his nose.
    And fans on social media were left outraged by Wu’s actions.
    “Apparently ‘Chi’ is just short for ‘cheap shot’,” commented one user on YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns, which posted the video.


    Wu Liang poses in his traditional martial arts clothing.

    “What a disgrace,” wrote another user. “He can’t land a single punch during the fight because he doesn’t know how. So he sucker-punches the guy during the handshake. What a low-life coward.”
    “These traditional martial arts guys have zero honour or logic (especially now they are being exposed),” another user said. “Eye poke after the fight is over? I’ve always been disgusted with the arrogance of TMA, even when I was practising it.
    “Anyone who calls themselves a ‘master’ is just stroking their ego.”
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    So was the guy who beat up the Xingyi guy an MMA fighter or a kickboxer? Sure, someone can be both, but a kickboxer is not necessarily an MMA fighter.

    Similar to the "kiai master" in Japan who got KO'd by a Japanese "MMA fighter" who looked more like a karate (Kyokushin?) fighter than an MMA fighter.

    The winners of inter-style fights against kung fu "masters" don't necessarily have to all be "MMA fighters".

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    You say 'kyokushin'. They say 'mma'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Sure, someone can be both, but a kickboxer is not necessarily an MMA fighter.

    Similar to the "kiai master" in Japan who got KO'd by a Japanese "MMA fighter" who looked more like a karate (Kyokushin?) fighter than an MMA fighter.

    The winners of inter-style fights against kung fu "masters" don't necessarily have to all be "MMA fighters".
    True. I'm going more off what the headlines say for these news pieces posts I do. And the headlines generally like to say 'MMA fighter' because it's more concise and headline-worthy than 'Kyokushin Karate fighter'. And I do think that's interesting because it reflects and drives the general opinion, ya know?

    I know there's a few more old posts I can copy to the beginning of this thread akin to Zhu Chunping vs. Yao Hantian that aren't just more Xu Xiaodong challenges. I just haven't searched them out yet.
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    Wu Liang again

    Some dudes just never learn.

    Kung fu ‘master’ gets comeuppance from taekwondo fighter after sucker eye-poking Chinese kick-boxer
    Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang is smashed with kicks in one-sided bout
    He notoriously raked Zhang Wensheng’s eyes when going to shake hands after being obliterated by the Glory kick-boxer
    Nick Atkin
    Published: 3:04pm, 10 Oct, 2019


    A taekwondo practitioner kicks kung fu master Wu Liang. Photo: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

    Remember the kung fu “master” who sucker eye-poked a Chinese kick-boxer a little while ago? Well, he’s back, and he received a delicious dose of comeuppance.
    Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang was soundly beaten by Glory fighter Zhang Wensheng after challenging him at his gym earlier this year, getting planted on his backside a few times before the referee mercifully stepped in.
    When they went to shake hands, Wu raked Zhang’s eyes and was luckily protected from receiving further punishment with others stepping in to stop the MMA fighter punching him.
    He probably should have stopped there, but it turns out Wu had another fight, this time against a taekwondo fighter at an event in June (which also featured a fake “pressure point master” getting a clearly staged win against a supposed Sanda fighter).



    In a one-sided affair, Wu shows he has no idea how to check kicks, eating a few to his legs before the taekwondo fighter goes up high.
    It doesn’t last long, with Wu crumpling down to the canvas in the corner. The referee checks to see if he is fit to continue, but quickly waives it off.
    Hilariously, Wu had even tried a few eye-pokes on his opponent.
    “TKD [taekwondo] guy was lucky that chi-blasts are banned in that fight,” one commenter replied on the video, which was posted by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns.
    “Kung fu guy did special death touch. TKD guy will die in 40 years after paying lots of taxes,” said another.
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    A Hu vs Tang Duoji

    Drunken Kung Fu? Chinese MMA fighter knocks stumbling martial arts ‘master’ down six times
    Referee somehow fails to stop the fight earlier as ‘A Hu’ repeatedly concusses Tang Duoji, founder of the kung fu style gong quan
    Tang receives six stitches, and a broken orbital bone – ‘I had the wrong fight strategy’
    Nick Atkin
    Published: 12:25pm, 22 Oct, 2019


    Chinese MMA fighter ‘A Hu’ punches kung fu ‘master’ Tang Duoji. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

    If you enjoyed seeing Chinese MMA fighter “A Hu” thoroughly destroy wing chun “master” Ding Hao last weekend, you’ll be glad to know this wasn’t the first time he’s exposed a kung fu fraud.
    Ding – who was also obliterated by Xu Xiaodong – taunted A Hu in the ring before being sent face first to the canvas by a head kick after just 72 seconds.
    But A Hu also fought against another traditional martial arts “master” in a kick-boxing match in August, taking on Tang Duoji, founder of the kung fu style gong quan.
    No prizes for guessing who was the winner.



    To his credit, Tang lasts a lot longer than Ding – though that’s probably because the referee inexplicably allowed him to keep going despite him getting knocked down six times.
    A Hu throws a few punches early on, backing Tang into the corner, and Tang uses a hilarious slip and slide move to roll away and out of trouble.


    A Hu walks away after dropping Tang Duoji.

    Tang begins eating shots to the face, and the referee checks to see if he can continue.
    Knowing he’s in full control, A Hu even tries an audacious spinning cartwheel kick, and smiles when he misses. He continues peppering his opponent’s face and the ref makes a second check, but still lets things continue.
    A Hu scores another knockdown with a left head kick, sending Tang tumbling on to his backside. Again the referee allows Tang to keep going, despite him stumbling backwards as he gets up.


    The referee checks to see if Tang Duoji can continue.

    Tang is obviously concussed. He gets knocked down again but can’t even stand up straight, falling against the ropes. A Hu drops his hands and begins toying with Tang, scoring another knockdown.
    Mercifully, the referee finally stops it after a devastating left hook from southpaw A Hu puts Tang flat on his back.
    Tang updated his fans on Chinese social media after the fight that he received six stitches and that his orbital bone was broken. “I am fulfilled,” he wrote. “You [A Hu] are very good. I just had the wrong fight strategy. I’m sorry guys.”


    A Hu finishes things off with a devastating left hook.

    “Just stop the **** fight already,” one user wrote in the comments on the video, which was posted by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns, however. “There is a point when it stop being funny and you have to be responsible.”
    “He’s probably telling the ref, ‘Don’t worry I’m OK, I’m doing Drunken Kung Fu’,” wrote another user, referring to the famous Jackie Chan film.
    “He may not be a good fighter, but you can't deny that the kung fu guy was tougher than most of the other kung fu guys that try to fight,” said another.
    I can't even watch this fight right now. If someone else watches it, please post the time codes for the chicanery so I can just fast forward to them. Thanks in advance.
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    I said it before. I'll say it again...

    ...Ding Hao should give it a rest

    Kick-boxer fights a Chinese kung fu specialist during special tour in China
    By Adam Stephens 15:40 22/10/19


    A Chinese kung fu specialist named Ding Hao was knocked out last weekend in the first round by kick-boxer Chen Jinyun, otherwise known as ‘The Tiger’, in a packed arena in the Chinese city of Jiangmen.

    The 29-year-old martial artist claimed to be a decedent of Ip Man, a master of Wing Chun and a mentor of the late Hollywood star Bruce Lee.

    This fight demonstrated, however, that Ding was clearly out of his element, taking a number of heavy blows including being grabbed by the head and being kneed repeatedly.

    Although Ding attempted to mount some form of offence, it was The Tiger who made contact continuously with sidekicks before swiftly concluding matters with a fly kick that knocked out the martial artist.

    Their match was part of the Chongwu Hero World Kick-Boxing City Tour and proved to be the second loss Ding had suffered in less than two years against an MMA (Mixed Martial Artist).


    In March last year, Ding lost to MMA fighter and coach Xu Xiaodong, who beat him to the ground six times in a three-minute round contest.

    There have been claims following Ding’s latest fight that he is a ‘fraud and not the kung fu master that he claims to be’, however, Ding’s master Yu Changhua brushed these aside.

    "Ding Hao is a top fighter in our centre and has been practising kung fu for more than 10 years.

    "He will not be frustrated by the loss of just one game. Instead, he will ponder on the reasons of the failure and prepare for future games even better."



    His opponent also subsequently defended Ding following the fight, saying: "I had spent more than one month preparing for the fight. It was a challenge for me too.

    "Before the game I was confident to win. But once the game started and I engaged with Wing Chun Master Ding, I could feel how strong he was."

    The kick-boxer said Ding could have won if he had had more experience in live combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    ...Ding Hao should give it a rest



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    How the HELL is this Ding Hao idiot “a mentor to the late Bruce Lee”? It says he’s 29. Bruce Lee died 17 years before he was even born. If he’s going to lie about something, he should at least make sure it’s somewhat plausible.
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    A Hu

    Chinese MMA fighter knocks out two kung fu ‘masters’ in one night, in 72 seconds each
    ‘A Hu’ went viral for knocking out wing chun ‘master’ Ding Hao in spectacular style last weekend
    New video unearthed from Chinese social media reveals he also obliterated a tai chi practitioner on same night
    Nick Atkin
    Published: 1:56pm, 26 Oct, 2019


    Song De Cai lies on the canvas. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

    Remember “A Hu”, the Chinese MMA fighter who knocked out the fake wing chun “master” last weekend? Well it turns out he actually fought two frauds in one night, and remarkably, beat them both in 72 seconds.
    A Hu went viral after obliterating Xu Xiaodong’s old rival Ding Hao in a kick-boxing match, dropping him with a vicious head kick.
    But another video unearthed from Chinese social media reveals he pulled double duty and also took on a tai chi practitioner called Song De Cai the same day.
    You can probably guess how that fight went too.



    Weighing in at 80 kilograms, the 44-year-old Song had the weight and height (1.77 metres) advantage compared to the 24-year-old A Hu (1.75m, 66kg).


    A Hu punches Song De Cai.

    Right off the bat, Song tries (and fails) with a Bruce Lee-style jump kick, falling flat on his backside. A Hu then throws some leg kicks and roundhouse kicks before battering Song with punches.
    Song can only push A Hu away and run, but eventually gets cornered. A Hu hits him with a right hook, an uppercut and then a left hook to the body, and Song crumples to the floor.
    The referee counts Song as he tries to get to his feet, then calls it off.


    The referee steps between Song De Cai and A Hu
    “That liver shot looked brutal, for a tai chi guy that clearly doesn’t do full contact sparring there is no way he could take that punch,” said one commenter on the video, which was posted by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns.
    “Seriously that guy does not look like he's in shape to fight. Do they even medically clear them to fight? This can lead to serious injuries or even death,” said another.
    “It looks like anyone can just show up with a pair of shorts and gloves and make a challenge,” was another comment.
    Why do Tai Chi guys insist on getting humiliated like this in the ring?

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    Ma Baoguo


    68-year-old tai chi “master” knocked down 3 times in 30-second match against MMA fighter

    Despite appearances, he is still claiming victory
    by Alex Linder May 19, 2020 in News



    An elderly tai chi “master” has become the latest of his cohort to not last long in the ring against a more modern martial artist.
    The fight staged on Sunday in the Shandong city of Zibo pitted a 50-year-old MMA and kickboxing hobbyist named Wang Qingmin against 68-year-old Ma Baoguo (马保国).
    Ma claims to be a master of Hunyuan Tai Chi. He also claims to have a ball of energy in his hand and to have defeated a British MMA “champion” a few years ago.



    His fight against Wang, however, didn’t quite go so well. He was knocked to the ground three times in 30 seconds after being repeatedly punched in the face.
    Fortunately, Ma was okay after the match and suffered no significant injuries. It’s unclear if the fight promoter will face any trouble for organizing a match where a senior citizen was KO-ed.
    Despite appearances, Ma has gone on to claim victory, claiming that he stopped the match before breaking his opponent’s nose.
    Here’s how his face looked while making that argument:



    The trend in China of unmasking self-proclaimed kung fu masters by knocking them out was started by MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong who infamously beat one such tai chi “master” to the floor in 10 seconds in 2017.
    Xu went on to issue a challenge afterward to any traditional Chinese martial arts masters who believed that they could take him down in a no-holds-barred fight. He even bragged that he was willing to take on two or three “masters” at the same time to prove to the world that they are nothing but frauds.
    Ma Baoguo was one of those to accept Xu’s challenge. However, their match was stopped by police in Shanghai just minutes before it was set to take place back in 2017.
    Ma has always been outspoken about his own abilities. He has bragged that he would be able to beat Chinese MMA champion Zhang Weili without hurting her or even breaking a sweat.
    He has also claimed to have beaten British MMA fighter Peter Irving in a match.
    As proof, Ma has showcased footage of the two sparring. Irving says that he was paid to be an actor in the video, which he understood as some sort of vanity project for Ma.
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    More on Ma

    Ma Baoguo’s opponent ‘scared’ before KO’ing tai chi master in 30 seconds – and had to pay to fight
    Wang Qingmin tells local media he used Chinese kung fu style to knock out 69-year-old tai chi master in first interview since viral fight
    Amateur boxer has received no prize money and paid US$92 to fight Ma, who reportedly earned US$28,000 for 30-second bout

    Jonathan White
    Published: 10:48am, 27 May, 2020
    Updated: 11:29am, 27 May, 2020

    However, Wang said he beat Ma with a traditional Chinese kung fu style. He was registered as an MMA fighter but used the Chinese style of Xing Yi Quan, rather than Western martial arts as media reported.

    Referee asked tai chi master Ma Baoguo to show mercy before embarrassing 30-second KO
    Pre-fight footage emerges on Chinese social media showing referee expected tai chi master to deliver a one-sided beat down
    Referee appeals to 69-year-old to show mercy to his opponent – ‘when I say stop, you can’t continue to hit him’


    Jonathan White
    Published: 4:02pm, 21 May, 2020
    Updated: 6:25pm, 21 May, 2020




    A still from the video of tai chi master Ma Baoguo (right) talking to the referee ahead of his embarrassing 30-second knockout. Photo: Hupu

    The knockout of 69-year-old tai chi master Ma Baoguo by a former martial arts coach 20 years his junior in Shandong has been watched around the world, with fans in China and overseas ridiculing the older man for taking on the challenge.
    Ma was knocked down twice before being knocked out within 30 seconds and taken to hospital, where he recovered and has since left.
    However, footage from before the fight that shows a conversation between Ma and the fight referee shared on Chinese social media seems to indicate that they were expecting the fight to be one-sided the other way.
    The referee apparently appeals to Ma to show mercy to his opponent, telling him three times: “I have just one requirement, when I say stop you have to stop, you can’t continue to hit him.”

    Ma for his part warned the referee ahead of the fight, “I am afraid of my [tai chi] routine hurting you” to which the referee replied, “I am not afraid”.

    As it was, they were right about it being a one-sided fight.



    Ma had built a reputation for outlandish statements, calling UFC strawweight champion Zhang Weili “stupid” and claiming that he could beat her in a fight.
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