complete martial arts system?? If not, what does it need ?? If so, what makes it so??:D:cool:
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complete martial arts system?? If not, what does it need ?? If so, what makes it so??:D:cool:
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Does it incorporate modern methods of self defense such as firearms training, knife defense and offense, oc spray, ground fighting, de-escalation methods, pre-conflict and post-conflict training, criminal psychology, realistic awareness and adrenal response scenario drills using modern landscapes and non- outdated articulation.
Kung fu may not have this but maybe the kung fu teacher does. It's not about systems but people.
Those that really think a non-living module is complete is thinking with the ego, its all about the people, not the style.
well most Kung fu isn't. BUT, grand master of ultimate unpleasantness Emin Bonzepte has added turkish oil wrestling to his Ving Tzun system. This combined with stick fighting has made it the most deadly art on earth. So deadly that the feared Gracie family has been dodging him, unwilling to show the world how GJJ is really not practical. I'm sure I will be flamed for saying this, but you can't hide the trueth, VT will soon dominate the UFC, IFL, and all combat events.:rolleyes:
anyway If you can win a fight, then its a "complete" system. If you can't then it isn't.
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IMO: There is no such thing as being "complete". You can only hope to get closer and closer until you die. How far you make it is up to you, and how much you are willing to open your mind to.
There are many styles of martial arts that have many aspects. But no martial art has ALL aspects.
It is impossible.
No martial art is complete- those that claim to be don't know what they're talking about.
There are no complete MA systems.
It could be- minus the terrorist, car jacking - gun stuff.
But it could be if the instructor realistically follows the principles of combat- shuai, na, ti, da (throwing, locking, kicking, and punching). Some are better- but it really depends on the instructor- the facilities- and your personal goals.
yes, well all that aside there are more robust systems as far as content goes and there are thinner systems of martial arts that have not much in the way of curricula in the given art they are propagating.
kungfu, as a whole is a not a system it is an umbrella term for all chinese martial arts and associated practices. At least, in context to this question.
In that vain, cma or chinese martial arts covers a pretty wide variety of different styles and systems, many of which are considered complete.
having said that:
boxing doesn't have kicks or throws and doesn't train them, so in the broadest sense, one could say that box is an incomplete martial arts system. But in context to boxing and it's respective venue, one could say that it is a complete style.
styles will emphasize different aspects or attributes pf the human form and design their fighting style around the principles derived from that.
anyway, hope that helps to sort it without going on and on. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ here. :-)
Oh, you mean complete EMPTY Handed system.
Not really, you may find systems that have elements of all the above, but the proficency is usually in one or 2, sometimes 3, but rarely all of them.
I will be doing MA for 30 years come this October and in all that time I have seen some systems profess to be complete, but the vast majority of times that are basically a striking system that has added grappling or vice-versa.
I don't know of any system that can claim to be complete from the get go, know what I mean?
Yeah- in the sense that there's no perfect system or any way to achieve that mythical invulnerability that people think is out there.
But it depends on the individual and what their goals are- like tai chi may be all that a person wants and needs- or wrestling- or whatever.
I like to think that if a person were to take a balanced approach in the beginning with martial arts- they'd be able to find something that they'd like to specialize in and make it their thing. But that means that there has to be a few general practitioners out there to teach the basics.
hahahahah @ balanced beginning in the martial arts. considering that the majority of martial artists are a minority of extreme smallness in the overall population and the diligent ones among that sea of dross are even fewer is more indicative of how unbalanced the view at the beginning is. That and the fact that when people actually discover how hard training martial arts is for real, 9 of 10 of them are out of there in the first 3 months and back to their beer and cheetos love fest while they wank on ufc and go on about their yellow belt in shotokan krotty. :p
****, you know that guy too ??
LOL !
Sometimes it is a question of luck and finding an open teacher, my first kung fu teacher was adamant that Hung Ga was all that one needed to know.
Then I went to Karate and my sensei told me, when I asked him, that judo would balance out my Striking and that I shoudl try boxing too to get a true understanding of full contact.
From there my subsequent MA teachers have all been very open in motivating me, and others, to cross train in other system to become well rounded.
Some because they believed that the best way to fight an opponent was to KNOW the opponent, other because they believed that all MA have somethign to offer.
Combat instructors, RBSD instructors and traditional MA teachers who do not have their heads up their own asses have been incorporating elements of it since pre-WW1.Quote:
Either you made that list up or you got it from someone else who made it up.
Not my issue you don't understand the list or how it works into training.
That is still the norm sadly.Quote:
my first kung fu teacher was adamant that Hung Ga was all that one needed to know.
It's getting better but its still a far cry from being open door.
It's an ego and money thing for a lot of traditonal teachers........the typical....."you mean you think I don't have the answers" comeback.
People should take responsibility for their own right to self protection, this has zero to do with ego, make your self defense training more like dipping into a educated & sweat equity invested tapas bar and your better off in my view
I think the 'complete' martial art involves ICBM's.
I'd like to know when the definition of a complete system became "jack of all trdes, master of none." :rolleyes:
If you get everything you feel you need from one system, then it is complete for you. As no two people need exactly the same thing from a martial art, no system will be perfect for everyone.
CMA has always been a "jack of all trades" set up.
Ti Da Shuai Na
Western boxing, TKD, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, etc... all specialize; where as, a complete CMA style should contain elements of all these systems.
Afterall, why learn 18 weapons when you can only fight with one?
Because you don't at first know which weapon you will have the leaning towards. PLus you have to understand teh different properties of different weapons, long, short, bladed, flexible, double, combined and so on. The 18 contain pretty much every variation of blunt, bladed, flexible and double weapons you're gonna need.
The thing is that we as CMA stylists need to realize that you can't be all things- or that we can't do all things well. We need to realize that were generalists in the fact that we have a general understanding of the different areas, but that we really need to find something to specialize in- or- we accept that were generalists and don't pretend to be more than that. What I've seen by other posters is a real problem in CMA- the thought that were somehow gods of fighting in all ranges. We're mediocre at best unless we focus on at least one aspect.
Yes, and what else?
How good are they VS the knife? the stick?, how good are they with Gi, without Gi?
Bareknuckle? etc, etc...
Well rounded is one thing, complete is another and you will never find a complete system, and if you do, they will not be as good at A, for example as a school that specializes in A.
Just the way it is.
Here's an example- You're a good kicker, but most likely you would lose in a TKD match against a blackbelt tkder- You're a good puncher, but you most likely would lose in a boxing match against a good boxer- You're a good wrestler, but you most likely lose against a black belt bjjer- You're a good thrower, you would definitely lose against a competitive black belt judoka.
Catch the drift?
I don't cage fight or teach, but... in Judo- we have the top heavyweight in the region and I'm poised at being the #1 160lb Judoka in Michigan as a brown belt mind you (again- like being the smartest kid in special ed, but still it's somewhat cool).
You do all realize I could just go on and ON.......
oh yeah, and all of the previous as an old-timer-- since I'm almost 34. If I swing it financially- I'll also do well as I always do in good ol' fashioned kung fu at the Great Lakes Open. In the blessed 3 areas: forms, weapons, and san shou (although I don't like getting punched in the head anymore so I probably won't do san shou) but I'm seriously considering switching to shuai chou instead.
I really am the total package :rolleyes: