Is CMA / Kung Fu , on the whole,a......

[sanjuro_ronin]

Combat instructors, RBSD instructors and traditional MA teachers who do not have their heads up their own asses have been incorporating elements of it since pre-WW1.

Not my issue you don't understand the list or how it works into training.



That is still the norm sadly.

maybe, my last Hung ga teacher, when I told him the other systems that I had done and still did had no issues with that, in fact he said something along the lines that its is crucial to know the limitations of any art.

[Black Jack II]

It's getting better but its still a far cry from being open door.

It's an ego and money thing for a lot of traditonal teachers........the typical....."you mean you think I don't have the answers" comeback.

People should take responsibility for their own right to self protection, this has zero to do with ego, make your self defense training more like dipping into a educated & sweat equity invested tapas bar and your better off in my view

[Mas Judt]

I think the 'complete' martial art involves ICBM's.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I think the 'complete' martial art involves ICBM's.

Chi blasts ?

[Becca]

I'd like to know when the definition of a complete system became "jack of all trdes, master of none."

If you get everything you feel you need from one system, then it is complete for you. As no two people need exactly the same thing from a martial art, no system will be perfect for everyone.

[MightyB]

If you get everything you feel you need from one system, then it is complete for you. As no two people need exactly the same thing from a martial art, no system will be perfect for everyone.

That's what she said.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'd like to know when the definition of a complete system became "jack of all trdes, master of none."

No need to bring up MMA now.

[MasterKiller]

I'd like to know when the definition of a complete system became "jack of all trdes, master of none."

If you get everything you feel you need from one system, then it is complete for you. As no two people need exactly the same thing from a martial art, no system will be perfect for everyone.

CMA has always been a "jack of all trades" set up.

Ti Da Shuai Na

Western boxing, TKD, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, etc... all specialize; where as, a complete CMA style should contain elements of all these systems.

Afterall, why learn 18 weapons when you can only fight with one?

[David Jamieson]

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Afterall, why learn 18 weapons when you can only fight with one?

Because you don't at first know which weapon you will have the leaning towards. PLus you have to understand teh different properties of different weapons, long, short, bladed, flexible, double, combined and so on. The 18 contain pretty much every variation of blunt, bladed, flexible and double weapons you're gonna need.

[MightyB]

CMA has always been a "jack of all trades" set up.

Ti Da Shuai Na

Western boxing, TKD, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, etc... all specialize; where as, a complete CMA style should contain elements of all these systems.

Afterall, why learn 18 weapons when you can only fight with one?

The thing is that we as CMA stylists need to realize that you can't be all things- or that we can't do all things well. We need to realize that were generalists in the fact that we have a general understanding of the different areas, but that we really need to find something to specialize in- or- we accept that were generalists and don't pretend to be more than that. What I've seen by other posters is a real problem in CMA- the thought that were somehow gods of fighting in all ranges. We're mediocre at best unless we focus on at least one aspect.

[MasterKiller]

The thing is that we as CMA stylists need to realize that you can't be all things- or that we can't do all things well. We need to realize that were generalists in the fact that we have a general understanding of the different areas, but that we really need to find something to specialize in- or- we accept that were generalists and don't pretend to be more than that. What I've seen by other posters is a real problem in CMA- the thought that were somehow gods of fighting in all ranges. We're mediocre at best unless we focus on at least one aspect.

I disagree. Change your training methods, because all of my guys can Kick, Punch, Throw, and Wrestle pretty well.

I would rather be well-rounded than a specialist.

[MasterKiller]

Because you don't at first know which weapon you will have the leaning towards. PLus you have to understand teh different properties of different weapons, long, short, bladed, flexible, double, combined and so on. The 18 contain pretty much every variation of blunt, bladed, flexible and double weapons you're gonna need.

Right, well, that's sort of the definition of "jack of all trades," right?

[MightyB]

I disagree. Change your training methods, because all of my guys can Kick, Punch, Throw, and Wrestle pretty well.

that's what you think

[sanjuro_ronin]

I disagree. Change your training methods, because all of my guys can Kick, Punch, Throw, and Wrestle pretty well.

Yes, and what else?
How good are they VS the knife? the stick?, how good are they with Gi, without Gi?
Bareknuckle? etc, etc...

Well rounded is one thing, complete is another and you will never find a complete system, and if you do, they will not be as good at A, for example as a school that specializes in A.

Just the way it is.

[MasterKiller]

Yes, and what else?
How good are they VS the knife? the stick?, how good are they with Gi, without Gi?
Bareknuckle? etc, etc...

Well rounded is one thing, complete is another and you will never find a complete system, and if you do, they will not be as good at A, for example as a school that specializes in A.

Just the way it is.

What I said was CMA has always had a jack-of-all trades approach.