Blood Red Fist or Tongbei Quan? Which are Chinas oldest systems.
Greetings!
I just read the Blood Red Fist article in the November December 2016 issue. It states that Hong Quan a military and the oldest style in China is. And that Tongbei Quan a substyle of Hong Quan is. Hong Quan has its roots during the Qin dynasty with the terracotta army.
First question: Tongbei Quans story is much older. From the warring states period and maybe sfrom spring and autumn period with the story of the white monkey daoist in Emei. How can be Tong Bei a substyle of a later style?
Second question: Which are the very oldest styles of China (with some info)? And which shaolin styles derive from them?
-Tong bei Quan from Emei warring states period or spring and autumn
-Hong Quan from Shaanxi during Qin dynasty
-Old Tang Lang from Qi kingdom warring states period?
-Pao quan from Emei?
Last question: The transition history of the same old style into a later one and what changes does it took.
For example: shaolin jingang quan was renamed later into luohan quan and more later into shaolin hong quan. Its the same style but it changed his name and some of his techniques.
Iam asking about a similar example how Tongbei and Hongquan and other old styles changed their names and what technique changes they made in their new form.
Thanks!
Thanks for reading that, RITTERKING1
Blood Red Fist: The Hallowed Art of Hongquan (NOV+DEC 2016) was an intriguing article. But as mentioned in the first paragraph of that piece, it's important to distinguish the Chinese characters - hong is 紅, not 洪 (as in Hung Gar).
Thanks Gene! But the article says that Hong Quan has its origins in the Zhou and Qin
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Originally Posted by
GeneChing
Blood Red Fist: The Hallowed Art of Hongquan (
NOV+DEC 2016) was an intriguing article. But as mentioned in the first paragraph of that piece, it's important to distinguish the Chinese characters -
hong is 紅, not 洪 (as in
Hung Gar).
Thanks Gene! But the article says that Hong Quan has its origins in the Zhou and Qin dynasty. Later the same article states that Tong bei Quan one from Hong Quans seven categories is.
According to Tong bei quan legends, Tongbei style was created by White Ape old man Baiyuan Laoren during the warring states period (source taipinginstitute).
The one question is: Is Tongbei quan an older style or a later one, because the kung fu magazine article presents Tongbei as a substyle of Hong Quan.
And my other question is: If you can list which kung fu styles the most oldest of China are? From which all the systems began.
And how they changed their names during time?
There are many many variations of history, particularly origins stories
If you really want to know, RITTERKING1, follow up directly with Shao Zhiyong. He is the subject of that article and the President of the Shaanxi Hongquan Culture Research Association.
