Kung Fu in MMA

[PangQuan]

* Cue la grange by ZZ Top*

Have mercy

[Becca]

The funny thing is that when you mention stance training, most people that dont have an in depth understanding and experience with traditional arts automatically picture the guy standing in horse stance for 45 minutes with bowls of water on his limbs and head.

That's not stance training, even though you are holding a stance. That is meditation. You are training your mind to overcome the body's natural tendancy to stand back up.

[Becca]

It's not the stance work per se (although you might explain how it is different than what I think it is)... it is your statement that that allows you to not be taken down by wrestlers.

And I will contunue to stick with that statment untill someone prooves to me otherwise. I have stated repetedly what I'm calling stance training. You have repetedly ignored, or mis-read, every thing I and other stance beleivers say on the subject.

I'm not going to video myself rolling. The only way I can validate myself would be to roll with you. As we don't live in the same neck of the woods, that ain't likely to happen. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[sanjuro_ronin]

That's not stance training, even though you are holding a stance. That is meditation. You are training your mind to overcome the body's natural tendancy to stand back up.

It can also lead to constipation and that kind of chi, no one wants !

[unkokusai]

And I will contunue to stick with that statment untill someone prooves to me otherwise.

So you are declaring that you cannot be taken down?

[PangQuan]

So you are declaring that you cannot be taken down?

i doubt she is saying that.

I think what she is saying is that it works. Of course nothing works 100% of the time, yet to dismiss something someone has experienced is kind of silly.

[Becca]

Nope. I'm declairing that stance work is the reason I'm hard to take down. I have been taken down since I got serious about stance training. But it usually happens after I get tiered or make a blunder. There's no point in circling each other endlessly, some one has to break it up. As I'm very good at keeping thier attacks from working, I have to launch some of my own. At which point, they can use the same tricks on me that I used on them.

[Knifefighter]

The only way I can validate myself would be to roll with you. As we don't live in the same neck of the woods, that ain't likely to happen. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I may be doing some training and teaching at my friend's BJJ school in CO this summer. If so, we could roll then. Where do you train?

[unkokusai]

I have been taken down since I got serious about stance training. But it usually happens after I get tiered or make a blunder.

LOL! If you say so, but I'm not sure you are training with the cream of the crop as far as takedowns go.

[bodhitree]

olympic class judo athletes regularly get taken down.


D1 wrestlers also get taken down regularly.

Too bad they don't train stances.

[unkokusai]

Exactly! It is just ridiculous.

[Merryprankster]

Try taking someone down when you can't get any viable momentum, Mr. 30 years.

Lots of takedowns that don't rely much on "momentum," proper. Trips, picks, taps, blocks, etc.


Becca, it sounds to me like two things:

1. You're basically learning how to stay on your feet, much the same way that any Judoka or wrestler would do. You're calling it "stance training." Grappling types call it "not getting thrown/taken down." No biggy.

2. I'm guessing your field of sparring partners does not include any dedicated, experienced, stand-up grapplers. No offense, but that's how it comes across to me.

[bodhitree]

1. You're basically learning how to stay on your feet, much the same way that any Judoka or wrestler would do. You're calling it "stance training." Grappling types call it "not getting thrown/taken down." No biggy.

Or basically I'm not going to easily fall over for someone.

[Knifefighter]

Nope. I'm declairing that stance work is the reason I'm hard to take down. I have been taken down since I got serious about stance training. But it usually happens after I get tiered or make a blunder. There's no point in circling each other endlessly, some one has to break it up. As I'm very good at keeping thier attacks from working, I have to launch some of my own. At which point, they can use the same tricks on me that I used on them.

Wait a minute! Before you said you never went to the ground unless you started there. Which is it?

Nope. I have no "super duper stance." I train my stances, which makes it very easy to feel my opponant shift thier weight and for me to respond in a way that cancels thier momentum. Try taking someone down when you can't get any viable momentum, Mr. 30 years.

Takedowns aren't about the attacker's momentum, they are about the attacker setting up the defender by changing changing levels, creating angles, and forcing the defender to shift his weight or move one way or the other.

By your posts, you reveal that you are not really training against grapplers, but against other clueless students in your class.

[SifuAbel]

I suppose wrestlers do all this while levitating to the opponent?

They do stances as we know them. Stance is position and footwork.