Top MMA stand up strikers who avoid the ground

[Ben Gash]

RD, just buy http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...40&cat=&page=2 , It shows you how to do it, how to defend it, and what goes wrong and why.
Knowing how to do them means that you understand how to defend them that much better. However, as has been said, ultimately at some point you WILL go to ground, so you need to be able to use guard and half guard defensively , and guard sweeps.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

You can't learn what you want to know from clips of actual matches, you need to see clips of training and instructionals.

Just like you don't learn how to box from watching Roy Jones jr fight or Hopkins.

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True, but it really helps to get an overview to help foster the inspiration, and get perspective.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

RD, just buy http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...40&cat=&page=2 , It shows you how to do it, how to defend it, and what goes wrong and why.

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Awesome, Thanks!!

Knowing how to do them means that you understand how to defend them that much better. However, as has been said, ultimately at some point you WILL go to ground, so you need to be able to use guard and half guard defensively , and guard sweeps.

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I will get to that a bit later. Right now I am still investigating.

[lkfmdc]

RD, just buy http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...40&cat=&page=2 , It shows you how to do it, how to defend it, and what goes wrong and why.
Knowing how to do them means that you understand how to defend them that much better. However, as has been said, ultimately at some point you WILL go to ground, so you need to be able to use guard and half guard defensively , and guard sweeps.

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[SevenStar]

You guys are missing the point here.

I am looking for guys who are primarily STANDUP fighters, who are good at keeping the fight standing up by avoiding the take down.

I don't really want to discuss BJJ specialists. Yes, I know *Everyone* does BJJ on some level, but I am more interested in guys who specifically avoid the ground, and win standing up.

let's call it what it sounds like it really is... you are looking for standup guys who don't do a lot of grappling, yet still avoid takedowns. you really won't find any of those. the strikers who avoid takedowns adequately are more often than not also very well versed in ground work.

[DPL]

I used to have this aditude, too. You can only go so far with that method. Sooner or later you are going to need to get good at actually working the ground. A good grappler doesn't need to shoot to get you to the ground. And the only way you can get a good feel for all the many ways a grappler can get you there is to learn how to get others there yourself.

I could keep any and veryone from taking me down in the MMA crowd I used to spar with. I can still keep a good submission wrestler off me for a bit, but sooner or later, they will get me. I have been working with a top notch summission wrestler for almost 2 months now. He knows full well my main goal is to learn how to make my kung fu work against true grapplers.

The first thing he taught me was how to move like a wrestler. Then how to shoot like a wrestler. Now we are working on how to get back to my feet after I get taken down. The best part is, he's also a bit of a kung fu guy, so he's showing me how to get back to my feet using techniques common in kung fu.

I've wrestled and practiced ground fighting since junior high school.

My argument is not 'ground fighting is bad'. My argument is, if you want to get good at takedown defense, it will be far more beneficial to practice takedown defense than performing the takedown itself.

[DPL]

I don't think you understand what I wrote.

Dude, you wrote:
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Fact:

Wanna stop the takedown?
Get very ,very good AT DOING the takedown.

Drill, drill and drill and when you have finished, drill some more.
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I wrote that this is bad advice. If you want to stop the takedown, practice stopping the takedown.

I've got no issue with the rest of your post. Just that first part.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Dude, you wrote:
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Fact:

Wanna stop the takedown?
Get very ,very good AT DOING the takedown.

Drill, drill and drill and when you have finished, drill some more.
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I wrote that this is bad advice. If you want to stop the takedown, practice stopping the takedown.

I've got no issue with the rest of your post. Just that first part.

And I said that I don't think you UNDERSTAND what I wrote.
My advice was the same as saying that, if you wanna learn how to stop a boxer from hitting you, learn to box.

Do you disagree with that too ?

[Becca]

My argument is not 'ground fighting is bad'. My argument is, if you want to get good at takedown defense, it will be far more beneficial to practice takedown defense than performing the takedown itself.

And mine is that only defending takedowns will only help you with the takedowns your training parters use. What happens when you slip? That ain't a takedown, but you sure as heck are on the ground. Takedown defence alone will not help you get back to your feet.

Working a sprawl only helps when all you need to do is sprawl. If your sparring or fighting a good grappler, they will figure out very quickly that you are a one-trick pony and get you with something else. You can't even begin to understand all the ways they can get you till you see it from thier perspective...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

My argument is not 'ground fighting is bad'. My argument is, if you want to get good at takedown defense, it will be far more beneficial to practice takedown defense than performing the takedown itself.

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That may be a point, but I prefer to keep things in my own element. I really don't want to be a grappler, I want to do what I do, and get better at that.

That being said, the grappler is a force to be reconed with, and I need some experience in dealing with them and learning how to keep them from taking me out of my element.

[MasterKiller]

I need some experience in dealing with them and learning how to keep them from taking me out of my element.

The only way to get that experience is by working out with grapplers in the first place.

[DPL]

And mine is that only defending takedowns will only help you with the takedowns your training parters use. What happens when you slip? That ain't a takedown, but you sure as heck are on the ground. Takedown defence alone will not help you get back to your feet.

Working a sprawl only helps when all you need to do is sprawl. If your sparring or fighting a good grappler, they will figure out very quickly that you are a one-trick pony and get you with something else. You can't even begin to understand all the ways they can get you till you see it from thier perspective...

Read my posts again, very very carefully. I'll break them down for you to make it easier:

I'm not talking about the value of any other ground fighting technique other than takedown defense.

I'm not talking about my own opinion about ground fighting.

I'm not saying that if you just have a good takedown defense, you don't have to fight on the ground.

I am saying, in response to the post by sanjuro-ronin, that you have to practice takedown defense in order to get good at takedown defense. HE/SHE said you needed to practice performing takedowns in order to get good at takedown defense, which is obviously ludicrous.

This just in:

In a bold new initiative inspired by Mixed-up Martial Artists on KFM Forum, all NFL defensive team members will FIRST learn how to play offense perfectly in order to play defense better, instead of concentrating their efforts on the unique skills, body mechanics and trained reaction sets needed to play defense.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Wow...just wow....

[DPL]

And I said that I don't think you UNDERSTAND what I wrote.
My advice was the same as saying that, if you wanna learn how to stop a boxer from hitting you, learn to box.

Do you disagree with that too ?

I understood your post perfectly. The problem is that it's a silly suggestion.

If you are a boxer, and you want to stop another boxer from hitting you, you do NOT practice punching. You practice blocking, footwork, bobbing and weaving.

Following your logic, pitchers should be the best hitters in baseball because they know how to pitch really, really well. Doesn't really prove out in the real world, though, does it?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

The only way to get that experience is by working out with grapplers in the first place.

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Yeah, but you don't have to become one to learn how to deal with them.