Ground Proofing DVD

[lkfmdc]

systema say the elite special ops used systema,

these are the same people who sell a DVD on using Psychic powers on an attacker...

systema has a very cult like mentality, so to argue about it is a waste of time, again I will suggest that the people who actually can demonstrate skills all use mats to learn to grapple (BJJ, Sambo, Judo, Wrestling)

[Mas Judt]

Jake,
Muph and I trained under Dr. Brian Wu starting in the early 80's.

I stayed with Dr. Wu for about 13-14 years. Still friends, but I moved away.

Murph certainly has his issues, but he is also a brilliant coach. I've always had a strong personality, so I never got pulled into any of the craziness or unusual lifestyle stuff.

300lbs eh? That's a shame. He should have kept training, he would be a one of the greats.

[stricker]

these are the same people who sell a DVD on using Psychic powers on an attacker...

systema has a very cult like mentality, so to argue about it is a waste of time, again I will suggest that the people who actually can demonstrate skills all use mats to learn to grapple (BJJ, Sambo, Judo, Wrestling)

dude dont get me wrong i'm the skeptic all the way i see the cult mentality, the combat pants, how the demos work etc... but, i still see something in there worth having, a jewel in the dirt if you will. its like 10% of what i do. i'm 90% an mma-er, train at an mma fight gym, roll with judoka, bjjers, samboists, do muay thai and boxing training...

off to training now

[Three Harmonies]

Mas
Yeah, he started to have some health and personal issues and that affected his weight obviously. I completely concur he is a great coach. He had a falling out with my first CMA teacher way before I was around, but my teacher (at the time) suggested I go train with him when he was in town (Albuquerque), and not tell him where I came from. Mannie was a great teacher, and shared his art unbiasedly. I could do without him constantly trying to get me to train with him fulltime (Southern Mantis was not my thing), and the Church hyms being sung during training took some getting used to. But the quality of material was top notch.
I lost touch with him a few years back. I heard he was in pretty bad shape health wise, but never heard anything more. I wish him the best. Nice cat!
Jake

[Oso]

this Manny guy, obviously a huge guy who taught SPM???

i went to a 2 day seminar back in 96-97 here in NC that was taught by a very large guy of Hispanic descent...tough as hell teacher...wonder if the same guy.

[Mas Judt]

Could be him. Great fighter, great coach, but gets very religious on stuff and the um, exhibits behaviors VERY contrary to that same religion.

He was a known character, but very well as a martial artist by just about everyone.

[Oso]

must be him, I called my friend who put the seminar on to check but he hasn't called me back to confirm. I've been told a couple of stories so we'll just leave it at that.


hmmm, Mas, have you ever run in to a guy named George that had trained in NC? He was training under Manny in the late 90's (I think in Albequerque) and went on to train under Gin Foon Mark after Manny...guy about 6 or a bit taller, rangy look to him and kinda weird.

[Mas Judt]

nah, by the late 90's I didn't have anything to do with him...

[Oso]

s'aright...longshot anyway

[monji112000]

This is, in my professional opinion, RETARDED

training isn't a street fight, you want your students to train hard and train often and experience stuff wihout getting seriously hurt.

This is fake bravado, tough guy nonsense

If you are going to train for real then why not do for real. scatter broken glass too. Why not have people get hit by cars and fall off buildings to test their systema abilities? I would pay to watch

[Lucas]

I volunteer to be one of the guys on the side who randomly ribs you with steel toed boots!

[bakxierboxer]

hmmm, Mas, have you ever run in to a guy named George that had trained in NC? He was training under Manny in the late 90's (I think in Albequerque) and went on to train under Gin Foon Mark after Manny...guy about 6 or a bit taller, rangy look to him and kinda weird.

Don't know much about Mark Foon's students after the mid-70s on Christie St, NYC.
Early 70s he had a weirdo named George..... looked like he could have played in a zombie flic without any makeup.... had "those moves" down cold.
One time George was "on the floor" "practicing" when Mark Foon had a guest come by.... and he quickly ushered the fellow into the office saying "... don't look at him...."

[Oso]

lol, no, this George ended up in New Mexico in the late 90's and trained with Manny and brought him back here for a seminar but then I heard he went on to Mark but I don't know that for sure.

George was odd, a hard ass fighter but he would walk to classes with his gear in a bundle on the end of his staff

[bakxierboxer]

lol, no, this George ended up in New Mexico in the late 90's and trained with Manny and brought him back here for a seminar but then I heard he went on to Mark but I don't know that for sure.

George was odd, a hard ass fighter but he would walk to classes with his gear in a bundle on the end of his staff

Can't be the same person.... the "old one" would've hurt/killed himself with that staff in NYC.
Just guessing.... he probably never "made it" to be an " old George".

[monji112000]

chill dude,

you obviously have no idea what systema guys do!

they DONT slam each other on the ground etc!!!

it starts off lying down literally playing roly-poly rolling on the ground, they are VERY slow and progressive... builds up to breakfalls and rolling breakfalls, then jumping into them...

check out :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnrBSqzJMDI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF17Wd4Fz4