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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    I "ran against" one.... I had to wait for him to uncork his headers before he'd give it a go.

    By the way, your PM box is full.
    Those old cars can go if you want them too. Last time I went to the track a guy had a wicked 66 Stang running high 10s-low 11s. He was running aviation fuel in it too.

    I cleared some space in my PM box.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodhitree View Post
    The Bush admin has the worst employment ratings since the Great Depression, and that happened in 2003, so it can't be blamed on the current credit crisis.
    You seem to have forgotten about the Carter years.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    About the housing mess

    First of all you cannot blame Bush, the Republicans, or the Democrats. If a private company wants to issue stupid, yet 100% legal, loans and there are morons to sign up for them, the government is really powerless to stop it.

    Second, I am against any bailout. This purchase of these 2 companies looks bad imo. But I need to know more:

    If those companies had went belly-up, what would have happened to the people who were current in their mortgages with those companies?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Biden Foot in Mouth Part I

    Here he tells a guy in a wheelchair to stand up!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JCGRI
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Those old cars can go if you want them too. Last time I went to the track a guy had a wicked 66 Stang running high 10s-low 11s. He was running aviation fuel in it too.
    "Interesting...."
    I can't claim any recent activity in motor-sport of any kind, although I did do a summer or so as road manager for a Formula A team during the late 60s.
    Hmmm.....?
    Dang! that's not exactly any more recent, either.....

    I cleared some space in my PM box.
    Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    You seem to have forgotten about the Carter years.
    "Good times!" (not)

    Inflation got up around 22% at its peak....
    Folks decided they didn't have a lot of spare cash for stuff like kung fu lessons.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    Folks decided they didn't have a lot of spare cash for stuff like kung fu lessons.....
    They didn't have alot of spare cash at all!

    Honest, that's one reason Obama is more popular with 20-somethings. They are too young to remember the Carter years, or the fact that Obama's economic policies are nearly identical to Carter's.

    I really do fear for the country if he is elected and the Democrats still control Congress.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Here he tells a guy in a wheelchair to stand up!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JCGRI
    Not a foot in the mouth at all. Biden saw a man here and treated him as such. I guess he forgot the Republican response which would have been to treat the guy as an invalid. No doubt McCain would have had the man dragged up on stage in his wheel chair. He would have then knelt down and used both hands in a gentle handshake. After that the arm would go around the shoulder and the way would be cleared for the press to take pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
    Inflation got up around 22% at its peak....
    From what source do you get that? Inflation has never been that high in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    If those companies had went belly-up, what would have happened to the people who were current in their mortgages with those companies?
    No secret here. Those mortgages would be treated as assets and sold off in bankruptcy court. Don't think for a moment that if your mortgage company goes tits up that you're off the hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    First of all you cannot blame Bush, the Republicans, or the Democrats. If a private company wants to issue stupid, yet 100% legal, loans and there are morons to sign up for them, the government is really powerless to stop it.
    Some of the "action" in this whole deal can be laid at the doorstep of ACORN, and "guess who" is "beholden" to them?

    ACORN (and "guess who"), in turn, has had dealings with Soros.....


    Second, I am against any bailout.
    There was also already a lot of gummint $$$/influence involved through ACORN.


    This purchase of these 2 companies looks bad imo.
    All in the name of "social justice", doncha know?


    But I need to know more:
    I'm not sure that anyone will be very happy when they find out just how deep it goes.


    If those companies had went belly-up, what would have happened to the people who were current in their mortgages with those companies?
    ????? seems like their "paper" would be "devalued" and someone would be able to make a real killing..... buying up the companies and acquiring their holdings "on the cheap". There's already been a good deal of "adjustment" in the real estate market, so it shouldn't go "much lower"..... which doesn't mean that it won't.

    The "problem" in both real estate and oil is "speculation".... there used to be regulations that guarded against it.... at least in some of the markets. "Margin"?
    Hmmmm.... I seem to remember that one of our number has had some dealings in "the market".........

    Now that I've been thinking about it and writing some of it down....
    I don't like the way Soros' name is popping up.... it's starting to sound all too much like the stuff he pulled on the Bank of England.... and he has a real case against the American/capitalist system that he "works" so well.
    Last edited by bakxierboxer; 09-10-2008 at 08:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    From what source do you get that? Inflation has never been that high in this country.
    Ok Ok, the conservative guy was a little off.

    It was actually 13.58%

    The Prime Rate got up to 21.50% under Carter. That has NEVER been worse.


    Sources:
    http://www.miseryindex.us/irbyyear.asp
    http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/prime.asp
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    Don't think for a moment that if your mortgage company goes tits up that you're off the hook.
    Actually I was wondering if they would lose their homes.

    As I feel one person's stupidity should not negatively affect a responsible person's life, if that had been the case I am not against SOME government intervention.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Actually I was wondering if they would lose their homes.

    As I feel one person's stupidity should not negatively affect a responsible person's life, if that had been the case I am not against SOME government intervention.
    I'm impressed... ya friggin socialist you! Isn't it a case of buyer beware?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Punch View Post
    I'm impressed... ya friggin socialist you! Isn't it a case of buyer beware?
    Not at all. If I take out a mortgage I can afford, and I pay on time, I should not have to lose my house because the bank made stupid choices with other people.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men" -Samuel Adams

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