because the middle finger salute was taken already by "fungulayou-jtsu".Why does Hung Ga do the index finger salute?
because the middle finger salute was taken already by "fungulayou-jtsu".Why does Hung Ga do the index finger salute?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Structurally, you can test the strength of this particular hand posture by doing some pull ups. You can lift your index finger and you can still maintain your grip, but if you mess with the last three fingers, you'll lose your grip. This particular structure, even though it might not seem like it, is also very important for grips while grappling, especially when you have to do some "wardrobe work", and actually grab onto some clothing material. The idea is to understand the use of the forefinger, and more importantly, the flexibility that it lends to the wrist. This requires one to look at the hand posture three dimensionally, and of course go beyond forms. In reality, you'd be taught the function of the shape way before you ever saw the form, at least within a traditional setting. Nowadays, this isn't the case. But, anyway...
The cultural aspects, well, as my Sifu says, "It is no longer a secret, the Ching's lost the war! So the significance is no longer relevant." You can go into various things with the symbolism of the fingers, and how they can mean a specific date in history, actual members of a particular tong, a sigil of brotherhood, etc. However, philosophically, this particular hand posture has a long history which can be traced all the way back to India, with its older use as a mudra."quote from illusionfist in that thread...
I think the best thing to do if one wants to understand why these hands are so popular...you have mantis hook hand with the index straight, you got "point at central palm" hand, and you got the two finger tai chi sword hand otherwise used as the dragon claw poking and tearing with the index and middle (salute SR) I think the best bet to understand the idea behind these hands is to look at the farm tools used throughout the generations. Look at the dates behind the legends and then research what type of work was being done around those times...how does living in tibet inflluence you kicking footwork oppossed to living in india...I imagine hand to hand kung fu for a soldier would use the grab and hitting strategy needed when holding a sword and shield, wheras a farmers hand to hand kung fu would be more singular spear play being the most fighting they get is while hunting... I'm really interested in the fitness of killing...
Anyone noticed that the reverse grip for the butterfly swords kinda resembles the finger salute?
The way several of the weapons are handled can serve to strengthen the index finger used in the 1 finger kiu sau.
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An identifying hand symbol.
I don't think it has much in the way of martial application.
If there is, I would like to see it applied and be shown the consistency of the ability to apply it by virtue of design and function.
Otherwise, I will continue to understand it as a hand sign that identified Ming and symbolized their unity in their rebellion.
I could be wrong. We can always be wrong. It is our right! :-)
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that hand signal is a modification of the Hung Society hand signal signifying a certain individuals birth or death date.....that slips my mind at the moment.Otherwise, I will continue to understand it as a hand sign that identified Ming and symbolized their unity in their rebellion.
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It's pure B/S and means absolutely nothing.
Sorry. That's the truth.
Make al the hand signs you want, none of them will make you a better fighter, martial artist, or person.
Total baloney.
did anyone say to you "this will make you a better fighter" ? i confuse. a person like you that has no idea why that hand signal was designed for is expected to make idiotic comments like that. too bad fa you. sad that the only thing you know how to do is fight. you can't lion dance, you cant do forms, you can't drum, you can't do weapons.It's pure B/S and means absolutely nothing.
Sorry. That's the truth.
Make al the hand signs you want, none of them will make you a better fighter, martial artist, or person.
Total baloney.
thats pretty sad that all you know how to do is fight. how many UFC or Dragonhouse MMA have you won? who are you and how do we know you can fight?
if i were you i'd feel pretty jipped and waste all my years