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    Quote Originally Posted by wtxs View Post
    You must be talking out of your CV1 ... again. how do you equate building muscle memory to remember where about the intended targets are?

    Maybe it holds true for you ... you got muscles instead of the normal gray matters for a brain.
    its like typing on key board or piano you keep hitting the same keys over and over again until you get so use to it that you can practically play the piano like stevie wonder only with your eyes closed. When your muscle memory gets so keen that you can hit the speed bag effortlessly, type on the key board with out really looking down at the keys or run a fret a guitar....Then an only then can you play the keys on someone body as you would an instrument!
    The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

    "Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."

    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    its like typing on key board or piano you keep hitting the same keys over and over again until you get so use to it that you can practically play the piano like stevie wonder only with your eyes closed. When your muscle memory gets so keen that you can hit the speed bag effortlessly, type on the key board with out really looking down at the keys or run a fret a guitar....Then an only then can you play the keys on someone body as you would an instrument!
    Try to make the distinction between stationary and moving target ... or are the "concepts" too "foreign" for you ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtxs View Post
    Try to make the distinction between stationary and moving target ... or are the "concepts" too "foreign" for you ...
    And the fact there's adrenaline involved screwing with fine motor skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtxs View Post
    Try to make the distinction between stationary and moving target ... or are the "concepts" too "foreign" for you ...
    Before you can progress to stationary targets you must first conditioned yourself...hitting certain points on the body you can't just jump into with out knowing them...

    there are two ways to memorize the points...

    A. But studing a chart or book with points which will take alot longer an be harder to translate into strikes...

    B. Use a dummy with bright red stickers along each pressure point location to where you can hit them with PE repeately over and over again both conditioning your hands and memory...


    Then you can use other tools to develop timing like a suspended flexible ball that you can strike...the smaller the ball is the harder an more precise your strikes will become...also the ball should be suspended by a rubber band like material so it can bounce an cause you to work to strike it again...

    While doing these two things both the dummy and timing exercises on springy striking targets you will always spar. Sparring and chi sau should be a given...If you aint doing sparring and chi sau why are you even doing WC?
    The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

    "Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."

    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    And the fact there's adrenaline involved screwing with fine motor skills.
    Good luck in trying get this concept through Yoshi's MEATHEAD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    Before you can progress to stationary targets you must first conditioned yourself...hitting certain points on the body you can't just jump into with out knowing them...

    there are two ways to memorize the points...

    A. But studing a chart or book with points which will take alot longer an be harder to translate into strikes...

    B. Use a dummy with bright red stickers along each pressure point location to where you can hit them with PE repeately over and over again both conditioning your hands and memory...


    Then you can use other tools to develop timing like a suspended flexible ball that you can strike...the smaller the ball is the harder an more precise your strikes will become...also the ball should be suspended by a rubber band like material so it can bounce an cause you to work to strike it again...

    While doing these two things both the dummy and timing exercises on springy striking targets you will always spar. Sparring and chi sau should be a given...If you aint doing sparring and chi sau why are you even doing WC?
    There you go again ... talking out of your CV1.

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    The above links are for ingesting soybeans.

    I work in the grain industry and by law suppliers must list any hazards on a document called a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). The MSDS for soybean meal (crushed up soybeans) does not list any known hazards for skin contact with soybean.

    Realistically, this material is handled (by hand) all over the country and the only precaution you need to take is to wash your hands with soap and water after handling just as with any material.

    Now, as Dale mentioned, there are plenty of mediums out there other than soy. So, if you're still concerned, then by all means choose a different medium. However, to say that handling or touching soybeans is unsafe or poisonous to men is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    Before you can progress to stationary targets you must first conditioned yourself...hitting certain points on the body you can't just jump into with out knowing them...

    there are two ways to memorize the points...

    A. But studing a chart or book with points which will take alot longer an be harder to translate into strikes...

    B. Use a dummy with bright red stickers along each pressure point location to where you can hit them with PE repeately over and over again both conditioning your hands and memory...


    Then you can use other tools to develop timing like a suspended flexible ball that you can strike...the smaller the ball is the harder an more precise your strikes will become...also the ball should be suspended by a rubber band like material so it can bounce an cause you to work to strike it again...

    While doing these two things both the dummy and timing exercises on springy striking targets you will always spar. Sparring and chi sau should be a given...If you aint doing sparring and chi sau why are you even doing WC?
    Just when I thought my friday couldn't get any better, you produce this gem. Thank's for the laugh!
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    I would disagree with what you said.

    Over time training on open medium is going to cause said medium to break down and you are going to get dust as well as smaller particles of said medium in the training container.

    Again with alcohol on your hands acting as a solvent over time I can see this causing more absorption than if you had no contact with the soy medium.

    Hence I do no training with soy.

    I also do not want to inhale any medium either as that will cause health issues as well. Always be vigilant to anything that could be inhaled as you will cause health issues down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    I would disagree with what you said.

    Over time training on open medium is going to cause said medium to break down and you are going to get dust as well as smaller particles of said medium in the training container.

    Again with alcohol on your hands acting as a solvent over time I can see this causing more absorption than if you had no contact with the soy medium.

    Hence I do no training with soy.

    I also do not want to inhale any medium either as that will cause health issues as well. Always be vigilant to anything that could be inhaled as you will cause health issues down the road.
    Inhalable/respirable dust is definitely a concern but is not limited to soy. Any open medium will create dust and if practicing in an enclosed space it's best to wear a dust mask.

    Soy may be hazardous when ingested but there is no evidence it's harmful from skin contact. Again, this material is handled in huge quantities in factories across the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Cup View Post
    Inhalable/respirable dust is definitely a concern but is not limited to soy. Any open medium will create dust and if practicing in an enclosed space it's best to wear a dust mask.

    Soy may be hazardous when ingested but there is no evidence it's harmful from skin contact. Again, this material is handled in huge quantities in factories across the country.
    Random information:

    One of the longest words is associated with inhalation of dust..

    Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

    Aka a disease of the lungs due to the inhalation of volcanic dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wtxs View Post
    Try to make the distinction between stationary and moving target ... or are the "concepts" too "foreign" for you ...
    stationary targets are for conditioning...flexible or retractable or reactionary targets are train timing....chi sau is to train reflex, sensitivity and bridge connections...sparring is to train all your tools your develop an learn how to incorperate everything you working on!



    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    And the fact there's adrenaline involved screwing with fine motor skills.
    over time with sparring hard and light sparring you learn to think clearly through the adrenaline...But even with sparring and chi sau you need to still practice conditioning on basic targets that dont move...to train your mind an memory...Strikes come with impulse the better you get...over time it becomes second nature or natural!
    The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

    "Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."

    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post

    over time with sparring hard and light sparring you learn to think clearly through the adrenaline...But even with sparring and chi sau you need to still practice conditioning on basic targets that dont move...to train your mind an memory...Strikes come with impulse the better you get...over time it becomes second nature or natural!
    There are basic biological alterations in vision, heart rate, and fine motor control that you cannot override no matter how much you train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    There are basic biological alterations in vision, heart rate, and fine motor control that you cannot override no matter how much you train.
    Yes...that is true...with training, sparring and chi sau how ever you can in some instances make up for what you lack with skill!
    The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

    "Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."

    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    stationary targets are for conditioning...flexible or retractable or reactionary targets are train timing....chi sau is to train reflex, sensitivity and bridge connections...sparring is to train all your tools your develop an learn how to incorperate everything you working on!

    over time with sparring hard and light sparring you learn to think clearly through the adrenaline...But even with sparring and chi sau you need to still practice conditioning on basic targets that dont move...to train your mind an memory...Strikes come with impulse the better you get...over time it becomes second nature or natural!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    There are basic biological alterations in vision, heart rate, and fine motor control that you cannot override no matter how much you train.
    Bacon ... you had been forewarned, I did tell you he's an meat head. Put an fork in it and called it DONE.

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    Last edited by Yoshiyahu; 10-29-2012 at 01:26 PM.
    The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

    "Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."

    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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