Let's talk about PHONY KUNG FU

[bawang]

no... that is what you want westerners to want... your mom is very weak.

ok then why dont u train some real kung fu instead of doing fukin juggling

dude you are clueless. the foreigners are the one's that spend all there free time in places like this chatting and having discussion about kung fu and practicing it as if it was a religion. in china in the big cities it goes like this. you might find a school hidden somewhere that teaches little children, summertime may have full kids classes. in the parks you can find elderly people doing tai chi early in the morning in small groups. adults do not have the time for kung fu, they are busy earning a living for their family and very little free time. once in a while some very wealthy business man may have this hobby ,but even then he wont train daily like kung fu practitioners do in the states.

people don't have the time, or the need to do kung fu in china. the one's who do kung fu do it as a career. like before in Beijing I trained at a shuai Jiao school where the students were full time.and now in Songshan Shaolin where the students live at the schools. hopefully when they graduate from the program they can go on to be coaches or soldiers usually. they usually come from a poor families and poor village and don't have the money or capability to get a good education, so their parents send them to learn Wu Shu.

you may be surprised to know that the passion is not always there in these full time students, like it is for those who choose to study it with their own free will.

you dont have the social and networking skills to find real kung fu people in china and youre a racist sexpat.

[wiz cool c]

the only secret is sweat my friend.

[David Jamieson]

One mark of a Kung Fu man is to extend courtesy regardless if he thinks his conversation mate is a fool.

That's not phony.

Be kind to each other.

Signed: the jerk moderator.

[Subitai]

The messed up part is that there is a bit of truth to Bawangs statement. Although I wouldn't just limit it to Westerners only.

By that I mean, there are always those groups of people who want the WOO WOO and fantasy of martial arts but not really wanting to do the hard work or to risk getting hurt by actually fighting.

My personal peeve is all the videos out there for IMA. The master barely moves his hand and the students are jumping. We've all seen them BUT STILL, in the clear evidence of that...students persist in wanting that over hard work. Brainwashing or are they really that stupid???


If you kinda look at it in a cyclical way.

*The way things were >>>>>>>

MMA >>>>>>>

*They way things used to be either by (Blow-back) or willful ignorance

There are always those who prefer the WOO WOO though. It kinda makes sense, not everyone can or will fight. There's pain involved and who likes that. So it's more social I think.

Wiz cool is right too, sweat...albeit the right way.

[Jimbo]

In Taiwan, my Mantis teacher, myself and some of my classmates once stayed after a 1991 CMA tournament ended to watch a qigong program/showcase that was to be held in the same arena. The whole atmosphere changed; a new audience arrived. A few of the participants from the tournament also stayed to check it out.

One by one, different masters went on the floor to demo to New Age music. When one guest master, an older, bearded man in a suit from Japan proclaimed he would send his chi up into the audience, many people in the stands started panting, shaking, convulsing, and some even fell and writhed on the floor like they were having seizures (or sex with an invisible partner). Some people started screaming and mumbling nonsensical gibberish. I felt absolutely nothing. My teacher was ****ed off by all of this. He started videotaping people around us who were acting weird, because he felt that nobody would believe it otherwise.

There was also a teacher in a park who claimed he could put a force field around himself for protection and knock people 30 feet away by lightly touching or without physical contact, but that it only worked against those who believed. I didn't believe.

I don't know if those things are still a thing in Taiwan, as I left there 24 years ago. But I saw more of that over there than in the U.S. I think those types of demos were big in China, too. People who wanted special abilities but didn't want to develop real kung fu through hard work and eating bitter. Or simply people with "issues".

I am open to the possibility of a lot of things in this world, but I also have a very good B.S. meter. None of the above-mentioned things passed my B.S. meter.

For a good example of such a demo in the U.S., check out the demo starting from about 49:08:

[rett2]

For a good example of such a demo in the U.S., check out the demo starting from about 49:08:

good grief!

[PalmStriker]

Dude keeps coming back for more... Amazing.

[bawang]

In Taiwan, my Mantis teacher, myself and some of my classmates once stayed after a 1991 CMA tournament ended to watch a qigong program/showcase that was to be held in the same arena. The whole atmosphere changed; a new audience arrived. A few of the participants from the tournament also stayed to check it out.

One by one, different masters went on the floor to demo to New Age music. When one guest master, an older, bearded man in a suit from Japan proclaimed he would send his chi up into the audience, many people in the stands started panting, shaking, convulsing, and some even fell and writhed on the floor like they were having seizures (or sex with an invisible partner). Some people started screaming and mumbling nonsensical gibberish. I felt absolutely nothing. My teacher was ****ed off by all of this. He started videotaping people around us who were acting weird, because he felt that nobody would believe it otherwise.

There was also a teacher in a park who claimed he could put a force field around himself for protection and knock people 30 feet away by lightly touching or without physical contact, but that it only worked against those who believed. I didn't believe.

I don't know if those things are still a thing in Taiwan, as I left there 24 years ago. But I saw more of that over there than in the U.S. I think those types of demos were big in China, too. People who wanted special abilities but didn't want to develop real kung fu through hard work and eating bitter. Or simply people with "issues".

I am open to the possibility of a lot of things in this world, but I also have a very good B.S. meter. None of the above-mentioned things passed my B.S. meter.

For a good example of such a demo in the U.S., check out the demo starting from about 49:08:

that whole hour was pretty bad except for like 3 people

[Jimbo]

that whole hour was pretty bad except for like 3 people

My favorite performer of that show is Frank Yee at 53:53.