Free sparring on kung fu

[MightyB]

Russia has had conflicts with the South years before the Boxer Rebellion so I wonder if like Imperial Russian Fight Manuals from the Tzar's army Pre-Soviet mention martial art solo form routines.

What about 1920's Soviet Union did they have fight contests?

David Ross used to post about this topic. Here’s a link to a rebuttal of one of his posts, it’s pretty interesting. https://zhongguowuxue.wordpress.com/...o-controversy/

I tend to think he’s mostly correct on this subject; the rebuttal provides more historical insight.

[MightyB]

武藝圖譜通志 (Muye Dobo Tongji) is a comprehensive illustrated Korean martial arts manual, commissioned by the Korean King Jeongjo in 1790. There are a total of 4 volumes in this manual, documenting 24 arts of the Korean military.

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During the Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592 to 1598, the Ming Dynasty Chinese army lent their support to the Koreans and were able to push the Japanese back.

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As the Ming Dynasty Chinese shared their fighting and military knowledge with the Koreans, it is no surprise that Muye Dobo Tongji is written based on Chinese martial arts manuals of that time, such as:

紀效新書 (Ji Xiao Xin Shu) by General Qi Ji-guang

武備志 (Wu Bei Zhi) by Mao Yuan-Yi

少林棍法闡宗 Shaolin Staff manual by Cheng Zong You.

https://www.chineselongsword.com/korean

Below is a documentary about the Muye Dobo Tongji that's interspersed with clips of martial artist training.
Notice how the forms are practiced like military line-drills.

[diego]

David Ross used to post about this topic. Here’s a link to a rebuttal of one of his posts, it’s pretty interesting. https://zhongguowuxue.wordpress.com/...o-controversy/

I tend to think he’s mostly correct on this subject; the rebuttal provides more historical insight.

Thanks looking into this now, and Jimbo I forgot about Cha Quan lost this book in a flood years ago lucky we have youtube now, lol.

[diego]

David Ross used to post about this topic. Here’s a link to a rebuttal of one of his posts, it’s pretty interesting. https://zhongguowuxue.wordpress.com/...o-controversy/

I tend to think he’s mostly correct on this subject; the rebuttal provides more historical insight.

I think Pre-WW1 trader links is the best bet for martial art history like by 1920 any one with access to a theater house could watch Jack Dempsey fight reels and try to move like the champ. Why have I never seen a movie about 15th century Ninja hanging out with Captain Blackbeard training Shaolin to raid the seas.


French had Native tribes fighting British who had Native tribes fighting Spain in the 1600's.. in the popular port pubs there must have been stories of fighting styles from random Ronin.

[Subitai]

I'm pretty sure I heard that the history of Savate (French Foot / kickboxing) skills came from old shipping sailors. This dude, I forgot the dudes name?.... Said that the French learned at least some of their kicks from Chinese / Asian sailors aboard their vessels long ago.

Wait it was "Salem Asslis" right ???

If true...that means at least someone or somebody was sparring on ships way back. Enough for them to take interest in it.

[diego]

I'm pretty sure I heard that the history of Savate (French Foot / kickboxing) skills came from old shipping sailors. This dude, I forgot the dudes name?.... Said that the French learned at least some of their kicks from Chinese / Asian sailors aboard their vessels long ago.

Wait it was "Salem Asslis" right ???

If true...that means at least someone or somebody was sparring on ships way back. Enough for them to take interest in it.

I wonder if Boxing was developed from the Northmen`s sword and axe and French Shoe fighting was influenced by the warmer Mediterranean
climate like Romans fought in long t-shirts and breastplate armor the Viking would be using more upper body technique wearing 40 pounds of wet furs fighting on snow hills.

[ChungQuanMan]

I know Sifu Wong Kiew Kit may not have the best rep in the MA world - but this is one of the better summaries on this question/issue I've seen (not that it is directly from Sifu Wong)

https://www.shaolin-wahnam.ch/index....g-with-kung-fu