Every system incorporates structure, I think that Roberts' tends to focus on it more in the beginning so that that "delivery platform" for their techniques is well developed.
Is that advantageous compared to system that don't?
To be honest, I don't know.
I can tell you this though, from experience I have learned that certain systems need to be trained a certain way to get the right development.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Robert, Paul sort of touched on this but I'm curious about the drills. In particular static vs mobile drills.
What I can best relate it to is my days of playing football. I played both offensive and defensive line. We did a lot of what you would probably call structure work. There was some static drills, mostly showing you how to set your base and set up your initial pre-contact structure, and then lots of drills working your in contact skills, keeping your balance, unbalancing the opposing lineman and of course foot work.
Would it be a fair assumption that you are doing similar things in your class based on a WC structure and the type of contact expected under those conditions?
It may all depend on what you believe to be a 'complete' martial art. Basically, imho, any empty hand martial art is not complete. In fact, it is questionable if it martial at all (although it may definitely have a martial origin) I would also go as far to say that competitive fighting isn't martial, it's sport.
For me, a complete martial art is one that offers solo and group practice with and without weaponry. Now if you only want to learn a competitive combat sport, don't practise Wing Chun, unless you can find a club that trains for that purpose. Alan Orrs approach here in the UK is good example.
I agree, it's not a religion. But I disagree, as I don't for one second think that it is only a 'tool' as you describe it. To attempt to fit Wing Chun neatly into a box/catergory is just unwise imo. Yes, Wing Chun has specifics that only Wing Chun people train, but that shouldn't mean that that's all we are known for.
For example, I trained with some students from other schools and found that their weaponry knowledge was zero. They had trained for over 5 years. This is a problem imo. They could also tell that I knew 'something' the moment they touched hands as it must've just felt completely different to anything they had felt before. The reason was I was a Weaponry Sifu.
Ti Fei
詠春國術
Mysterious, it would be good to know your background, who you studied with, what lineage, how long you studied and your real name. What is there to hide? Otherwise, I think you are just a Troll.
I don't have to talk about Wong Shun Leung's or Ho Kam Ming's background, neither Hawkins' or Tsui's. They are the pillars of the first generation of students under Yip Man.
Do you just think Chi Sao is just contrived? Chi Sao can be obviously planned, artificial, or lacking in spontaneity; forced; unnatural, especially if you have some poor instruction, or a beginner, but the converse is also true. And you have never been uprooted before in sparring? Then it is you who is lacking in experienced partners and are limited, not just in WCK, but in fighting. If you spar with other systems, you know people will try to trip you, throw you, take you down, and you will be uprooted.
I don't know what else to say.
This is not WCK's problem, this is your problem.
I do not know you or even know much of you. What I have witnessed is that the main reason people give you're opinions credence over someone like me is because of whatever reputation you have built up. If you were anonymous like me your opinins would not be taken as seriously. Try this. Try posting under a different name and see if people give your opinins so much credence.
Call me a troll? My opinion is worth as much as yours. You have a famous name. That is your only edge in posting.
I have been thrown and tripped before...but never by someone who trained in contrived structure drill training. They just train.
Probably one of the most democratic posts I've seen of late! I have to admit, when I first started posting here I was in awe of people like Robert Chu mainly because I respect people who promote Wing Chun effectively.
BUT I have had my cross words with him too, and had all sorts of issues at the beginning as I was somehow pigeon holed as being a spokesman for Lee Shing Family and as that particular family is still relatively unknown outside the UK my opinions were sh1t on from a great height!
That was after I added my signature and declared who I learnt from so my advice is STAY ANONYMOUS!!!
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Ti Fei
詠春國術
What Robert said is true and basic.. It doesn't matter who said it.. Truth needs no resume.. Conversely, erroneous blanket statements also need no resume to see them for what they are.
Interesting variation on the ad hominem attack though..
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Jim Hawkins
M Y V T K F
"You should have kicked him in the ball_..."—Sifu
Stick to the issue.
Who are you?
What is your lineage? How long have you trained?
If you've been tripped or thrown, then you have been uprooted.
Your opinion is as good as mine.
Don't worry about names. Maybe I have it all wrong; I can learn from anyone. If they're wrong, they can still teach me how not to be wrong; if correct, they can enhance my knowledge. All the "reputation" or "name" is silly.
A reputation is not even the real me - people think they know me here through the forum, but never met me in person. How do they know me?
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To say that pushing and pulling in chi sao is more like tai chi is simply incorrect. Hawkin's Cheung definately didn't make it up from his tai chi practice, it is an integral part of chi sao to work your balance and your partners. Take your partners balance and feel for yourself how much more control you have than just using "fast" hands.
I don't feel R. Chu's name gives him instant credit on the board, people argue with him all the time. However even if you disagree, he says interesting things and is willing to share.
I am not trying to start a war. Let us get back on track.
Everyone relax please.