少林黑虎門
Sil Lum Hak Fu Mun
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you use grappling to set up ground and pound, just like you use china to set up strikes....is that ok?
both, chin na involves standing locks and standing locks that lead to takedowns where the opponent stays standing and applys a lock or break to the opponent on the ground correct?
my question is why cant we see any evidence of this working....people are happy to demo it for clips and pictures but why cant we see it is use against an opponent looking to do you harm?
He's right, you can't do that on the mats in a competition. But, this is a self defense scenario, which means no rules.
To me its easy, double leg takedown, sit on his chest, feed him his teeth.
I've haven't had to do it since high school, I was a wrestler, but since 80 to 90% of the people out there don't have a clue about grappling I do believe it would be a high percentage move. Oh yeah, I saw it work a lot in the early UFCs, so its not what you would call theoretical fighting.
Actually in high school I didn't feed him his teeth. I took him down, sat on his chest, pinned his arms and tried to spit in his mouth while he was yelling for me to get off.
Last edited by m1k3; 07-12-2010 at 06:16 AM.
"Short version on a long story. He was confronted by a guy that was dating a chick he was dating. Told the guy he did not want any trouble but the guy Charlie Murphy front kicked him and tried to take him down. My brother thought he would tie him up in order to avoid striking the guy and causing a cut or bruise. The guy was not letting up so my brother got him in a guillotine and fell back on the ground. He said he thought the guy was trying to punch him in the ribs, he did not know he was being stabbed. A friend of his saw the knife and pulled them apart. The other guy ran and called the cops and told them he was attacked."
The not knowing you are being stabbed is typical of the adrenaline state of a fight,most guys only notice that have been stabbed or cut when they see it or it is pointed out by someone.
That happens when the guy stabbing is "punching" with the knife as opposed to "stabbing and twisting" which will get a more serious response from the person being stabbed.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Ummm... that's not pulling guard. That is finishing a guillotine. And, anytime you have your hands tied up doing anything when his arms are not controlled, you run the risk of getting stabbed. Same thing when you are punching. Lots of times, it's even easier to stab someone who is trying to strike.
BTW, I can see why the police are conducting a further investigation. Depending on who started the fight, each of them deadly force and one of them probably wasn't justified in doing so. Which one will probably be determined by who the true agressor was.
I have no problem with what you said... actually, It's the same thing I was trying to say when knifefighter replied GNP wasn't grappling in the other thread.
Correct!
I have no idea why chin na is always shown the way it is in clips. I question that myself... They rarely show any take downs and usually stop at the standing lock and no one stops at a standing lock! I wish I could explain why they demo chin na that way but, I honestly have no clue.
Last edited by jmd161; 07-12-2010 at 12:49 PM.
少林黑虎門
Sil Lum Hak Fu Mun
RIP Kuen "Fred" Woo (sifu)