William Cheung's ANTI-CLF Tactics

[Violent Designs]

I think videos of this is much superior, it is talking about general fighting principles also, and the material presented makes sense and is logical. I like this one in particular:'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPCWSNzaU3o

[sihing]

I think videos of this is much superior, it is talking about general fighting principles also, and the material presented makes sense and is logical. I like this one in particular:'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPCWSNzaU3o

I used to practice Cheung's system. This stuff used to make sense to me as well, I used to teach it all the time. But when I would watch our level 9 & 10 tests, which included random attack defences (straight, round, hook, low, backfist, kicks, etc,,) no one (including myself)could ever pull it off like Cheung demo's, simply because there are too many movements and steps to do (no economy of motion). Basically there's allot of chasing hands & trying to run around the guy to out flank him, rather than taking the guys space and making him run or turn. William is very good at selling his stuff. What I do now when I watch demo's or explainations of things is watch the guy throwing the punches, in this one Joe is throwing weak punches and not tracking his target. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndhjwSXTrz4 , watch the 1st 2 min of this clip, Cheung vs Boxer, see how they are going around in cirlces as they lightly spar, and watch how the boxer is throwing his punches, compared to the way he punches when they show him shadow boxing, big difference.

My advice to William would be (at the moment his pak is on the outside of Joe's arm in the original clip) to step right into Joe with his own strike, take up his space and balance while striking, that way Joe's ability to counter is lessened, your ability to hit is increased and economy of motion and directness is involved, sorta like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sviizp-Bmgw. One needs a stable/adaptable structure to pull this off, not all WC has that development in their curriculum.

James

[Violent Designs]

I used to practice Cheung's system. This stuff used to make sense to me as well, I used to teach it all the time. But when I would watch our level 9 & 10 tests, which included random attack defences (straight, round, hook, low, backfist, kicks, etc,,) no one (including myself)could ever pull it off like Cheung demo's, simply because there are too many movements and steps to do (no economy of motion). Basically there's allot of chasing hands & trying to run around the guy to out flank him, rather than taking the guys space and making him run or turn. William is very good at selling his stuff. What I do now when I watch demo's or explainations of things is watch the guy throwing the punches, in this one Joe is throwing weak punches and not tracking his target. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndhjwSXTrz4 , watch the 1st 2 min of this clip, Cheung vs Boxer, see how they are going around in cirlces as they lightly spar, and watch how the boxer is throwing his punches, compared to the way he punches when they show him shadow boxing, big difference.

My advice to William would be (at the moment his pak is on the outside of Joe's arm in the original clip) to step right into Joe with his own strike, take up his space and balance while striking, that way Joe's ability to counter is lessened, your ability to hit is increased and economy of motion and directness is involved, sorta like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sviizp-Bmgw. One needs a stable/adaptable structure to pull this off, not all WC has that development in their curriculum.

James

thanks for sharing. My knowledge of Wing Chun is very limited so I have no exposure to what makes "more" sense. My opinion was from a comparative standpoint (to Cheung's new ANTI-style clips, for example).

Don't you guys have a training group in Los Angeles?

[sihing]

thanks for sharing. My knowledge of Wing Chun is very limited so I have no exposure to what makes "more" sense. My opinion was from a comparative standpoint (to Cheung's new ANTI-style clips, for example).

Don't you guys have a training group in Los Angeles?

Yup, my coach Ernie is headquartered there, www.abmvt.com, he has a more modern approach to Ving Tsun than most, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euVr...&feature=feedu as an example.

I agree, that clip of William was a much better one, as compared to some of his other stuff, I've seen him do much better but the majority of stuff he puts out is substandard IMO.

James

[lkfmdc]

he has a more modern approach to Ving Tsun than most, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euVr...&feature=feedu as an example.

That was pretty interesting.... but I can imagine what the WC community at large would say

[sihing]

That was pretty interesting.... but I can imagine what the WC community at large would say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ZvQ...eature=fvwkrel , more VT orientated vid

To tell you the truth, I don't think he really cares, I'm startin to feel that way too. The WC world is full of sheep looking to be lead.

James

[lkfmdc]

LOL, sheep, I say we make shish

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ah, this thread and WC people...

[Phil Redmond]

, . . . . sorta like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sviizp-Bmgw. One needs a stable/adaptable structure to pull this off, not all WC has that development in their curriculum.
James

I like that clip because it's just what we do. I'm glad you found what you like. What I do works for me and our guys who fight. So I'm very happy with what you do. The way to find out what works is to fight with it outside of your school. We do and are successful. James, if you're fighting and winning then good for you. Let me add. I competed using "Popular" WC against kickboxers. You know, the WC you do regardless of how different you say it is from other WC. I found that TWC worked better in the ring. That's why we have boxers training with us. Please enter a full contact event against good kickboxers and let us know how well you do. I wish you success of course.

[lone_walker]

Does anyone know much about Kwok Fu, theres a video on him on youtube that basically he says William Cheung and WSL are not that great?

[kung fu fighter]

Does anyone know much about Kwok Fu, theres a video on him on youtube that basically he says William Cheung and WSL are not that great?

here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OH1PR7uDQ

Also here is another interview by him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRYkzHIQ1W0

Kwok fu claims the Hong Kong wing chun is missing many vital things such as the bagua bo

[lance]

First of all he should have gotten a real CLF guy do represent the CLF section. Second, he's just randomly picking out techniques and not knowing how we really use them. I don't know of any CLF guy who knows how to fight would use some of these techniques as openers.

The upper cuts.....they're clueless to how and when we will throw them.

it all SUCKS.

and someone pls tell me what CLF guy will just stand there and LET them beat on us?

hskwarrior ,

Are you a WC or CLF expert ? GM Cheung was just explaining how the fight between the CKF man and himself took place on that particular day . Just like if someone was throwing a straight vertical fist punch at your face , you would automatically react in a certain way against that particular punch right ?

The youtube clip you were talking about is based on an instructional DVD GM Cheung produced . And he used his own student to demo of what happened on that particular day . If he called on a CLF man then the situation would have turned into some thing else . But hskwarrior inorder to find out go and challenge GM Cheung to a fight . Because it ' s very easy to criticize somebody right ? But really challenging the man is a whole different story . If you beat him great , but if you lose then that ' s the truth right there ?

In other words instead of talking bad about the man go and challenge him .
That ' s the only way to find out if he ' s good or not .


Lance

[hskwarrior]

hskwarrior ,

Are you a WC or CLF expert

No i study Tai Chi. Sorry.

In other words instead of talking bad about the man go and challenge him .
That ' s the only way to find out if he ' s good or not .

Can you PLEASE direct me to the location where i was talking bad about ANYONE?

[BDBSK]

That's EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!!

LMAO

You wrote:

"My name is hskwarrior and I think William Cheung is poopy and I hate him"

Geez frank, didnt you even read your post there? It is on page 50 of this thread. haha

[hskwarrior]

You wrote:

"My name is hskwarrior and I think William Cheung is poopy and I hate him"

Geez frank, didnt you even read your post there? It is on page 50 of this thread. haha

I can't read! i only look at pictures! oh wait how did i just respond to you? I'm SPECIAL!