well, Scott has worked in corrections and psych nursing, so if he says he has seen these used in a "real" situation, I'm inclined to take him on his word; and no, probably the people they "worked' on were not skilled, trained, ring fighters, and it may not have even been one-on-ones, so that may explain why they worked; but the fact is that it's still "reality", so in some contexts, they apparently do have merit in certain situations; just because something doesn't work in a single specific context doesn't mean it won't work in any other one; and even if that prison or psych ward situation doesn't have as high of a degree of contextual interference as the ring, it doesn't make it less "real"...