What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Pan Nam chi sau very interesting
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDQ90e1XBLM
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7InujHDTNA
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp65CK7RnFY
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I didn't find it funny I found it a little concerning I also think you have to consider that we (UK peeps) have had access to decent Wing Chun for over 40 years, and the earlier guys like Sifu Lau and even Sifu Tang were of a mainland flavour. Mix that in with some serious Ip Man knowledge and you have some pretty effective, practical no-nonsense interactive drills that other countries simply haven't even seen before. Well, not from the evidence I have seen anyway! Very basic stuff that is in need of an upgrade IMHHHHHO
As for the Pan Nam stuff, if you know your Wing Chun you will know what the guys were doing, just as in the Vietnamese clip. Problem is, not enough people know their Chun!!! Okay stuff with it's own purpose fme
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I have no doubt that the 'public' standard has got worse or dwindled due to the average martial artist these days mixing things up like a chop suey meal, re-branding and selling the mashed up meal to anyone who will pay! But if you take Youtube to be the be-all-and-end-all of Wing Chun you are missing my point... many very very decent guys are here who do not promote themselves in that way at all.
I was only highlighting that we have a few lineages that have been here for years that have direct first hand influence from some of the mainland training because that is where they were from.
But wrong? What am I wrong about exactly Jim?
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Just from looking at the first seconds of this clip I understand what they are doing, and am also aware that there are many many Wing Chun schools that probably never do anything like this. But I would ask everyone to look at what is being practised and tell me if they think that is chisau??
Because for me, and it's no disrespect to anyone elses ideas, this is not chisau training. I refer to this 'pressure testing' type platform as an interactive Looksau (some call Luksau and other mainland families may use the term 'kiusau' practise) which basically translates as Rotating Arm. A very particular Ip Man pracise fme and something only his older students seemed to have grasped, albeit all have slight differences.
This is also a practise that is less familiar in the mainland, but I see that Sifu Mark Hobbs uses this method and he is a student of GM Lun Gai (an earlier Ip Man Foshan student) which implies that it was taught in the earlier days too and not a HK modification (as some may think)
Nice clip
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