That's what I asked Phil. Of course I would never do this technique. Even if they weren't charging forward, I wouldn't cross myself and jat on the wrong side. It's just asking for the second punch.
I'm not sure if you read my response or who's, but I would never do this technique. It's a big mistake in my view.I understand your premise for this, that you seek to do a timing disruption with the technique and then do a quick draw, hitting them before they hit you. Have you successfully used this technique in an engagement and does it work every time you do it on a stranger?
Call it what you want, it's not done in one beat. It's several actions in response to a single punch, neither simple, direct, nor efficient.Now insofar as "four techniques", tell that to any Pa Kua or Hsing I practitioner who utilizes an-chi-lo-fan. Ask them if they are doing four techniques. They will tell you it is one technique. In similar vein, Phil does one technique. It can be broken down into different parts for teaching purposes but when it comes to application, it is one technique.
The round punch never laterally crossed his center line. It was coming from the outside and Phil crossed himself to chase and catch the hand on the opposite/wrong side to move it and get to the opponent's blind side. It's trying too hard to get outside, doing something that puts him in a bad position at least, and at worst would be disastrous.And of course he would want to get to the outside with a CLF practitioner because the opponent has just laterally crossed his center line setting him up for a checkmate.
This a sequence WSL showed to avoid, why I mentioned angles wrong and following punch...
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Where's this animosity coming from? We've never met and I've done nothing to you. In all my years in the martial arts I've never badmouthed, trash talked, insulted, etc., another martial artist. Even when I see something I disagree with. I like to keep peace in our diverse Wing Chun family and follow Mo Duk. But that's me. :-)
He's using centerline principles which is all good. I was using central line. There's a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdOmnxmnfv8
I like mo duk too. I also like mo chicken, mo turkey, and mo gravy. Seriously Phil it's not animosity. We think what you showed violates some of the basic principles of wing chun and we're saying so and saying why. Anyone who does any insulting or name calling is straight out the window but there's nothing wrong with objectively dissecting what we consider very bad technique.
We have a similar technique in our dummy form. I don't see anything wrong with the idea of the application.
The structure doesn't pass to HFY spec, nor does the stance or footwork, but Phil doesn't do HFY - so what can I really say about it other than i disagree based on lineage?
One bigger difference spatially is when we will pull the arm out to the wrist before circling the bridge - we tend to move more laterally than front to back as Phil does here. Gets you further away from that other arm and leaves you in a better position for striking IMO.
Phil, think you might owe Glen an apology, you clearly didn't read his post properly before posting. He was actually having a dig at others and in effect fighting your corner by defending your post. Go back and read what he wrote, then read his next post and I think you will agree.
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Your post above illustrates well that you don't do or for that matter understand wing chin. Compound movements or strings of moves however you wish to describe them are in violation of the wing chun principles of taking the most direct route to the centre and the principle of economy of motion. Why use multiple stages when one will do. Not commenting on what Phil was doing in his clip merely high lighting why your analogies of other arts are flawed.
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