MT clinch is a misnomer. That's all. Many mean the plum, but really it doesn't mean anything. Thats like saying an MMA clinch. WTF does that mean, right?
Swimming.
Yeah, when you drop your level and turn your hips, your shoulder turns in too. You swim in with the lead hand depending on which way you drop. When you come back up you have a whole bunch of choices. Usually I try to take my own double collar tie. But, I mean, it really depends who you're up against. Sometimes all you can do is break out. If you're consistently getting your ass handed to you on the inside, best start dancing.
Judo is progressive and so is aikido. They are not considered traditional as they are not koryu.
Kajukenbo is a mix of styles and considered one of the founding influences of MMA.
Shotokan is non-traditional. Karate in general means nothing without knowing which ryu and his own style is certainly non-traditional.
Jujitsu would depend on which ryu and whether it's koryu.
Taekwondo is an evolution of Shotokan and is not traditional.
Now tell me those folks who won in kickboxing did nothing but TCMA training and no modern kickboxing training. Please. I'd love to hear you say it because you'd know it's a lie.
what nullifies them as traditional? most styles in japan came after the 1800's and they are still considered traditional.Judo is progressive and so is aikido. They are not considered traditional as they are not koryu.
these in today's world are all considered TJMA except obviously TKDKajukenbo is a mix of styles and considered one of the founding influences of MMA.
Shotokan is non-traditional. Karate in general means nothing without knowing which ryu and his own style is certainly non-traditional.
Jujitsu would depend on which ryu and whether it's koryu.
Taekwondo is an evolution of Shotokan and is not traditional.
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They're gendai budo, not koryu.
Kajukenbo is from Hawaii and is a fairly recent mix of several martial arts. Shotokan is genda budo not koryu. The jujitsu would depend on the ryu as to whether it's koryu or gendai budo and we've already eliminated TKD.
And Kellen popular opinion doesn't mean a thing because the masses are generally uneducated about martial history.
In any case it's a moot point. These are not TCMA so it's not exactly an argument in favour of TCMA.
Well, I'd like to agree with you, but it certainly influences how we talk about them. For instance, BJJ began in 1914...it's older than most of our "traditional Karates" at least in name and founding of organizations. But very few consider it traditional.
Shotokan is Japanese, not Okinawan, but it's as old as a lot of the Ryu styles.
Muay Thai may be 500, maybe 2500 years old, depends who you ask...much older than most TOMA and TJMA, but we still consider it modern. Even after adopting western ring and rules, it's still as old as most Karate.
Boxing by all rights should be traditional, it's considerably older than most of the arts you listed. We consider it modern. I think most martial artists when asked would call Shotokan, Judo, Aikido and TKD "traditional".
Actually I believe the exact opposite. I think BJJ is much more dynamic than what I've seen on the early tapes - old vale tudo and Gracie challenge. The older stuff looked just like Judo Newaza, very little to differentiate it from Judo, just the 80/20 rule - where Judo emphasized 80 percent throwing, BJJ emphasized 80 percent Newaza. Now I say BJJ really has come into it's own - which is a good thing in my opinion because the techniques they are developing and the athleticism is pretty cool.